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So they are essentially bribing people to get health insurance.

I think you have your criminal behaviors mixed up. Isn't it called extortion when your money is taken by force? As I see it our government has become so used to this method of operation they can't do it any other way and they see nothing wrong with threatening us.

Ever wonder what they will do when we have nothing left give?
 
I fail to see how this has to do with gun rights or politics.

It amazes me that folks can't see the relevancy what's in front of them sometimes.:rolleyes:

It has plenty to do with gun rights, civil liberties, personal choices and politics. It's all inter-connected. It's all about control..........govt. control.

Once the govt starts dictating how health care is going to be paid for and administered, the govt will want to cut some of it's loses and go after your guns.

Afterall since they are paying the bills they'll determine that your gun ownership is a risk factor and jack up your premiums or eliminate the risks entirely by mandating you either give up your guns by force or coersion.

Don't believe me? Look at how people convicted of DUIs are required to purchase SR 22 insurance for 3 years after their conviction. Most people still have to drive after they get their license back, and they still have to have mandatory insurance on their vehicles. A DUI conviction makes them a high risk for the insurance companies. So the insurance companies charge high premiums for this mandatory "protection".

Mandatory health insurance will eventually work the same way. Insurance companies with the help of tools like the Brady trash will determine that gun owners represent a risk that they feel can and should be eliminated. You'll either be forced to pay higher premiums or give up your guns............which in MA isn't much further to go than where they already are now.

Yes. It's a relevant issue. :mad:
 
oh is it ever related!!!! Once your on the plan, any risky behavior will be forbidden. You will run the risk of your health insurance being dropped and/or preiums will go sky high....all as a tool to control you and make you give up your Rights.....because in the end how could you as a parent put your childs health in jeoparty over some 16th Century "Right"!!

Looks like property taxes will go sky high in Mass. How else could they possibly pay for this. This is america??
 
Look at how people convicted of DUIs are required to purchase SR 22 insurance for 3 years after their conviction.

I don't see that as relevant, myself, because you CHOOSE to give up your civil rights as a law-abiding citizen when you choose to drink and drive, thus endangering others. That would only be relevant if there was some insurance penalty for someone having been found to have been wilfully negligent in discharging a firearm. (like the guy who was shooting towards a neighbor's house trying to shoot down a hornet's nest)

And having seen the burnt-out shell of an SUV that a family didn't get out of after being hit by a drunk driver, I have little sympathy for those judged guilty of DUI.
 
What is it that Lenin said, that the West will not be conquered by Communism but will eagerly embrace it.:eek:

Soon there will be a heavy increase in "fees" and other taxes to pay for this white elephant. As well, behaviors such as parachuting, motorcycles, boating, smoking (tobacco at least), drinking alcohol (unless Scotch), and, of course, using deadly weapons (knives and swords will be included) will be forbidden, or people will be "assessed" a higher "fee" for such dangerous behavior that will impact the hive.:uhoh:
 
Over the last 24 hours I've heard this story on several radio news stations, and watched it being told on several local and national TV news shows. In each and every case, the MA law was referred to as a "model for other states to follow" -- or words to that effect. Does the mass media exist primarily to proselytize whatever socialist, authoritarian, or just outright insane (but I repeat myself) policy that a government body comes up with? It appears that way.

I rue the inevitable day -- which will probably occur within a week -- when I overhear some average joe on the street referring to the MA healthcare legislation as a "model" for what my state should do.
 
The next question: How do we keep Massachusetts from raiding Federal funds to pay for this in a few years when Massachusetts goes bankrupt? A few years back King Kennedy and his Royal entourage managed to steal several billion form the rest of the country to pay for their "Big Dig" fiasco. I predict another such episode.

We need to make Massachusetts pay for their own folly.
 
Does the mass media exist primarily to proselytize whatever socialist, authoritarian, or just outright insane (but I repeat myself) policy that a government body comes up with?

The mainstream media is no longer journalists. They are stenographers.
 
They'll Take it, and Like It...

...one by one.

First, they were told most people wanted it. This was repeated until they believed it. Then, the weakened among them reinvented their own philosophies in order to accommodate it. They ended up liking it after all.

The end result was that most people wanted it--not out of choice pursuant to critical thought, but out of conditioning programmed into them by none other than the media and "entertainment" industry.

This is how democracy/socialism/communism/fascism/all other leftism works. All you must do is make 51% of the people (more if you're lucky or efficient) weak-minded, passive, and blind. Once that is accomplished, there is no value, no moral, no principle for which they will fight. On a subconscious level, they will adopt your policies as their own so that they do not have to face their own consciences. Consciously, they will actually believe that they do favor your policies--and they will likely fight against the very values, morals, and principles which they probably once held dear. This goal has been accomplished in major metropolitan areas, whose citizens are more effectively subjected to media exposure. Rural areas proved to be a tough nut to crack, however, and most citizens remain opposed to the ever-increasing power of government.

So the leftists brainstormed, and their social engineers came up with what was an admittedly brilliant idea. The result of its implementation is precisely what they sought: reduction of individual liberty with simultaneous increases in government power, spending, and arrogance. And they didn't have to get a single person to change his party loyalty, either. No, their plan was much simpler than that.

No one's vote has made the slightest difference in the overall effect--votes for the R or D only choose who will confiscate liberties, and in which order liberties will be confiscated, but certainly neither the speed at which the confiscation occurs nor the extent to which it is committed is affected. You see, the communists figured out that controlling the representatives of one party alone would never yield them the nation--the People would merely have the choice of electing the other party, and would do so (obviously this party traditionally wore the R). So the communists adapted their approach to incorporate both parties into their expanding influence--nearly all of the Ds, and over half of the Rs. This way, even if the entire People voted every D out of office and replaced them with Rs, they would still get the same result: a majority of elected officials sympathetic to communism, whether unwitting or otherwise (to their credit--and also detriment--often the Rs are unwittingly conditioned).

No doubt most people with more than a few brain cells to rub together have noticed the Souter effect at work in all political and legal circles.

However, this left one last problem. The People could be shocked (by seeing their nation's decline unfold) into thinking independently again, and abandoning both parties altogether. They could elect a third party, consisting of members that still believed in serving one's constituents rather than ruling them and gaining wealthy from their taxation. Interestingly, however, the media and "entertainment" industry were able to preemptively eliminate this problem, by systematically conditioning the People to believe two things:

1. That spending one's vote on anything but an R or a D was merely a waste, as no other party had a chance, and
2. That any other party could never represent the "mainstream," and that "fringe groups" (as every third party is classified by the M and E industries) had beliefs that were undesirable.

The first point is laughably false, as spending one's vote on something other than an R or D--done en masse by the People--was and is the only way not to waste one's vote. Many people acting in concert actually could use the voting system to regain control of the government. However, the leftists' solution was much easier than worrying about the complexities: the people simply had to believe third parties were a waste of time--it didn't have to be true, and it never was. But it would take courage for the people to shift their vote en masse, and courage had been conditioned out of them long ago, having been neatly replaced with materialism and multiculturalism, the latter more accurately known as outright cultural destruction.

The second point, ironically, is true, because of the success of the M and E industries in conditioning the public to believe--through repetition and suggestion, and finally emotional manipulation--that it wanted what they wanted it to have. They convinced the public that it had needs only government could solve. To the objective viewer, this too was laughable. Not only has government miserably failed to fulfill a single need since it took the left turn in the early 1930's, but private citizens and organizations have consistently succeeded, as they have throughout all of history when they were allowed to operate freely.

And so, we have come full circle. The majority of people will accept the behemoth government. They will accept the steady, gradual loss of their rights--and they will like it. Most of the patriots will eventually die one way or another, and the few that remain will have insufficient numbers and arms to stand up to the behemoth.

The patriots, in their failure, will have one last lesson to add to history: you cannot change a system by working within the confines of its own self-preserving rules. Once a system itself has been corrupted to work against its original principles, it cannot be restored to order. Those in doubt can try changing a tire, while being inside the tire. But with any luck, the M and E industries can convince most people to say "why would you want to change a tire? No one needs to change a tire!" anyway. Unappreciated lessons become useless lessons.

One by one.
 
It's all about taking more control of your life from you. Eliminating choices, freedoms, liberties, and self determination. In short power over you.

Life - Well they are still allowing us keep that one. But now that we have universal health care euthanization will become a reality because old or chronically sick people are going to be too expensive to the hive.

Liberty - Forget it, if it's dangerous in any way that the govt dictates they will either make it too expensive or outright illegal as such things will be too expensive as dictated by the hive.

Pursuit of happiness - You are happy that the hive takes care of all your needs. If you disagree watch the news/re-education television, see you are happy that the hive takes care of all your needs.
 
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