mercedesrules
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Today is a national day of prayer.
Today is a national day of prayer.
The government’s sanction of the words “under God” in the Pledge is an establishment of religion and therefore unconstitutional on its face.
I believe that’s what the First Amendment means, but I also know the disagreements over the interpretation of the Constitution began the day after it was ratified.
Yes I believe that that is exactly what these men from diverse religious backgrounds some far outside the mainstream believed and meantDo you genuinely believe that the founders meant this when they wrote the 1st Amendment?
Do you want to see what "an establishment of religion" means? If you really do, then go visit Iran or any other Islamic country.The government’s sanction of the words “under God” in the Pledge is an establishment of religion and therefore unconstitutional on its face.
The Pledge is just over 100 years old. At the time it was written the Socialist who wrote it was a flag salesman trying to drum up sales (so says one urban legend). He was definately a Socialist and G-d wasn't added until the 1950s (as well covered here).With this issue being brought forth now makes me wonder if "indivisible" was added after the 1861-1865 war. Prior to that was there even a pledge of allegence?
Yep, people get ugly over religious stuff. Back in middle school I remember standing in line in music class to pick up some instruments for the class. The kids around me started talking religion. They were talking about how much they loved Jesus. I was silent which got their attention. They demanded to know if I was Christian and loved Jesus and when I acknowlged that I was not a Christian I had several boys get mad enough about it (I was polite in my reponse) that they attacked me in front of the teacher. And it isn't just kids, the teacher heard the whole exchange so she knew why I was being attacked by a mini-mob and she stood by and didn't do a thing about it.Your arguments remind me of the Air Force Academy and how bad religious tyranny can get. There is definitely consequence if you don't get with the program.
Then the Christians need to learn from us Orthodox Jews. We decided long ago that the influences our kids were exposed to in the public schools or secular private schools were like poison (drugs, sex, sex ed, too much co-ed exposure for adolescents, and sometimes outright hostility to our religion). With the exception of a small number of kids who need special ed services our schools can't handle we don't send our kids to public schools or secular private schools.It all boils down to many,a large number , very significant proportion of parents in this country feel extremely negative toward the school system. Those of a religious bent do not want a secular school system for their children.
The government has no business telling me when I can and can’t speak the name of God.
Most of us don't, which is why we strive to nip it in the budIf you really do, then go visit Iran or any other Islamic country.
Nobody has made that claim. Only that the term under god endorses a religion which is implicitly Judeo Christianity since most other religions refer to their gods by nameWill anybody quote to me, and to everybody else, the statute Congress passed making the Pledge of Allegiance a religion!
No it doesn't and even if it did it would still endorse religion in a mantra forced on school children.It applies to your God, as well as anybody else's God, even if it is Mother Nature, the trees in the forest, your work, your girlfriend/wife/husband, or anything else you worship, even Satan.
For those whom worship nothing, it covers your "nothing god", also.
I've been sworn in once or twice, or more.
I have never placed my hand on a bible or been instructed to.
I was also asked
"Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you are about to give shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?"
Fear of God was never invoked