Just a little m44 muzzle blast

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hcker2000

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Hey shot some video and a friend edited this together last night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COoNUeU8CpA

Just a compilation of muzzle blast from my m44 at night.

So far I am happy with the m44 accuracy wise as I shoot a 5" group at 100 yards at night with the flood lights on. I was shooting from sand bags and open iron sights.
 
wow thats fast... cool to watch though looks like you have a full auto mosin. ( drool)
 
Hehe, I had a Nagant...fun to shoot. Clears the immediate area around you in a hurry :)

My friend was shooting his Mouser at the same table, he got up and waited until I was done shooting before sitting back down :)
 
At this point every time we (my friend and I) go to the outdoor range we are the only ones there besides the one guy who runs the range so that makes it great.

We can go check targets after every set or move them if need be.

Here is the video of him shooting his 9mm M&P S&W
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLn0KZdRhks&feature=RecentlyWatched&page=1&t=t&f=b

Note the use of a for grip at the end of the video. :evil:

PS. If any one has pictures or knows some one with a bipod on there m44 let me know.
 
"wow thats fast... cool to watch though looks like you have a full auto mosin. ( drool)"

I polished up the mating surfaces on my trigger assy on my m38 and had it accidentally fire a 5 shot burst:D
 
So how high did it climb lol

Wait am I missing some thing? you know with the m38 being a bolt action and all?
 
Note the use of a for grip at the end of the video.

That was immensely stupid, but its even more stupid that you posted a video online of it. It's illegal. (You 'created' an NFA regulated firearm) :uhoh:
 
That was immensely stupid, but its even more stupid that you posted a video online of it. It's illegal. (You 'created' an NFA regulated firearm)

Huh? What is illegal about a video of a Mosin-Nagant being shot at night? It's a compilation of short video clips - not a full-auto conversion! Unless you think a foregrip is illegal (it isn't). Please clarify, unless you were joking...

vanfunk
 
Me and my buddy were shooting my Mosins the other day, I was prone firing my scout scoped m44 and he was standing 2 yards off to my right and about 1 yard behind me - he fired a shot and the muzzle blast hit me, I felt like I had been body slammed. I yelled at him and made him move over about 10 yards, didn't want to feel that blast again.
 
That was immensely stupid, but its even more stupid that you posted a video online of it. It's illegal. (You 'created' an NFA regulated firearm)

Dude calm down, it's called video editing. That isn't a "machine gun" - it's just a bunch of shots from a BOLT ACTION rifle edited closely together to appear in rapid succession. There is no way a Mosin Nagant could ever be an NFA weapon.
 
That was immensely stupid, but its even more stupid that you posted a video online of it. It's illegal. (You 'created' an NFA regulated firearm)

Dude calm down, it's called video editing. That isn't a "machine gun" - it's just a bunch of shots from a BOLT ACTION rifle edited closely together to appear in rapid succession. There is no way a Mosin Nagant could ever be an NFA weapon.

He's talking about mounting a vertical foregrip on a pistol. Totally un-kosher.
 
I think Waywatcher was refferring to the fact that a handgun with a foregrip is an NFA controlled item. Unless the Form 1 was filled out, approved and tax paid before adding it to the M&P it's not so legal at all.

Read here: http://www.atf.gov/firearms/041006-vert_grip.htm
BATFE & NFA said:
Adding a Vertical Fore Grip to a Handgun

“Handgun” is defined under Federal law to mean, in part, a firearm which has a short stock and is designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand…. Gun Control Act of 1968, 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(29).

Under an implementing regulation of the National Firearms Act (NFA), 27 C.F.R. § 479.11, “pistol” is defined as a weapon originally designed, made, and intended to fire a projectile (bullet) from one or more barrels when held in one hand, and having (a) a chamber(s) as an integral part(s) of, or permanently aligned with, the bore(s); and (b) a short stock designed to be gripped by one hand and at an angle to and extending below the line of the bore(s).

The NFA further defines the term “any other weapon” (AOW) as any weapon or device capable of being concealed on the person from which a shot can be discharged through the energy of an explosive, a pistol or revolver having a barrel with a smooth bore designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell, weapons with combination shotgun and rifle barrels 12 inches or more, less than 18 inches in length, from which only a single discharge can be made from either barrel without manual reloading, and shall include any such weapon which may be readily restored to fire. Such term shall not include a pistol or revolver having a rifled bore, or rifled bores, or weapons designed, made, or intended to be fired from the shoulder and not capable of firing fixed ammunition. 26 U.S.C. § 5845(e).

ATF has long held that by installing a vertical fore grip on a handgun, the handgun is no longer designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand. Therefore, if individuals install a vertical fore grip on a handgun, they are “making” a firearm requiring registration with ATF’s NFA Branch. Making an unregistered “AOW” is punishable by a fine and 10 years’ imprisonment. Additionally, possession of an unregistered “AOW” is also punishable by fine and 10 years’ imprisonment.

To lawfully add a vertical fore grip to a handgun, a person must make an appropriate application on ATF Form 1, “Application to Make and Register a Firearm.” The applicant must submit the completed form, along with a fingerprint card bearing the applicant’s fingerprints; a photograph; and $200.00. The application will be reviewed by the NFA Branch. If the applicant is not prohibited from possessing a firearm under Federal, State, or local law, and possession of an “AOW” is not prohibited in the applicant’s State of residence, the form will be approved. Only then may the person add a vertical fore grip to the designated handgun.

A person may also send the handgun to a person licensed to manufacture NFA weapons. The manufacturer will install the fore grip on the firearm and register the firearm on an ATF Form 2. The manufacturer can then transfer the firearm back to the individual on an ATF Form 4, which results in a $5.00 transfer tax. If the manufacturer is out of State, the NFA Branch will need a clarification letter submitted with the ATF Form 4 so that the NFA Branch Examiner will know the circumstances of the transfer. Questions can be directed to the NFA Branch or the Firearms Technology Branch.

Edit: So, yeah it's illegal. I personally don't care what you do ... but I'd hate to see you or your buddy do 10 years over a youtube video of a gun with a piece of metal stuck on it.
 
Haha oh ok, I was under the impression he thought they had somehow made the Mosin illegal, didn't watch the video of the handgun... my bad.
 
Its very funny how they ban the vertical grips considering there is a rail right on the front of the gun for a laser/flashlight/vertical grip and how you can pick up a removable vertical grip from any airsoft web site for about $15 bucks.

The point is if they want to bother some one for shooting 3 shots with a vertical grip thats a little silly but I let him know all the same so he can decide if he wants to leave it up like it is now or if he wants to edit those frames out.
 
Well, the fact that you edited out the 'offending frames' is pretty good evidence that the pistol in question was NOT papered and legal. Otherwise, why would you take it down?

Looks to me like you should be thanking the folks who acted to try to keep you out of jail rather than copping an attitute.

Maybe a little 'Bunk Muffin' time would be more attractive than saying 'oops!' and correcting the error?
 
I for one wont argue about it. It says its illegal but as far as I am concerned if you have a gun with an ris rail (or what ever the offical name for it is) and you slide on a forward grip to try it out, then I see nothing wrong with it.

If you wish to have a hand gun with one on it all the time then by all means do it the proper way and do the paper work.

My only gripe is there definition of a hand gun.

"designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand"

If you want to take that as a literal interpretation then every one who has ever shot there hand gun with both there hands on the gun has violated the law because they are misusing a gun that was designed and sold to be fired with only one hand.

In the end we have all done things that are illegal at one point in time. You learn not to do them over time (or at least most do). Thanks for the information regarding the fact that the forward grip turns an other wise legal firearm into some thing not so legal (at least not with out the papers and $200 to back it up).
 
Let me just say that I have been and continue to be very appreciative of all the extensive information that THR users have provided me. My membership here may not be very long so far, but I've been reading threads here for quite some time. I am by no means an expert in the realm of firearms, and this is where I come for answers, not to be insulted. For those of you respectfully citing law and otherwise being informative, I thank you wholeheartedly. Being a novice in this field I NEED the information, and am bound to encounter things I don't even know that I don't know.

What I don't need is to be talked down to and told how stupid I was, etc etc. That *IS NOT* helpful, no rather it encourages me to not share my future experiences with THR out of fear that I will be belittled for a mistake I may make down the road.

I'm not going to comment on whether the foregrip use in this case was legal or not. I'm simply going to thank you all for the helpful information, and leave it at that. Enjoy the edited, non-controversy starting video.
 
Ahem, back on topic... awesome M-44 muzzle flash video. :D

The other day I was trying to take pics of my bro shooting my M-44 but I couldn't capture the muzzle flash. We were trying to time it up (shoot on 3... 2... 1...) but it's only for a fraction of a second so I couldn't get it. Oh well.
 
The other day I was trying to take pics of my bro shooting my M-44 but I couldn't capture the muzzle flash. We were trying to time it up (shoot on 3... 2... 1...) but it's only for a fraction of a second so I couldn't get it. Oh well.

This gets into the realm of Evil Black Cameras, but if you have a more recent digital (defined as an AOC) then you should probably use the video mode and do a frame-search later. If you don't have a video feature built in, go buy another one.
 
I've got a video feature but it burns up the memory on my camera really quick (won't have much room for many pics after that) and I don't think I can search by frame. I'll have to upload it to my computer and use some sort of video editing software for that.

The camera is a couple years old but it's digital and it works. :cool:

I should add that I was able to catch my brother in the middle of a shot with an SKS... the bolt was half way closed (on the return) but sadly I missed the ejected casing in the frame.
 
hehe i think congress had in mind the idea that handguns were meant to be fired dueling pistols style. you know, turned sideways and one arm down with the shooting arm way out?
 
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