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Here is a news report from Columbus GA. This particular apartment area is pretty upscale. A gun in your possession is pretty useless if you lose your situational awareness or if both hands are occupied when you are approached. Why did the guy have 2 watches at 2:30 AM anyway?

An armed man was robbed early Tuesday as he took out the trash at his apartment complex, Columbus police said.
The 26-year-old was outside the Grand Reserve, 1700 Fountain Court, taking out his trash about 2:30 a.m. when he was approached by a gunman. The suspect pointed a pistol to the man’s head, and robbed him of his $500 silver 9 mm and two watches worth a total of $200, reports state.
The man was uninjured, police said.
Police say the suspect is a black man. No further description is given.
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If someone points a pistol at my head I'm not going for my gun hands empty or not. The story doesn't go in to much detail, so it's hard to tell if improved situational awareness would have helped much in this case.

The man survived the encounter unharmed, I would consider that a win
 
It's important not to allow mere ownership or possession of a firearm to bring a false sense of security. There are a lot more important things involved in security and safety than just token ownership of a handgun or long gun.
 
Now wait a minute......

Taking out the trash at 2:30 am?!? AND.... I've heard of people carrying a BUG, but a BOW?!? Back up watch? Two watches were stolen. Really?!?

I have a very strong suspicion someone is making up a cover story, and not a very believable one.
 
NavyLCDR said:
Now wait a minute......

Taking out the trash at 2:30 am?!? AND.... I've heard of people carrying a BUG, but a BOW?!? Back up watch? Two watches were stolen. Really?!?

I have a very strong suspicion someone is making up a cover story, and not a very believable one.
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Lots of people in their 20s and 30s have weird schedules. Probably made worse by all the bluish light from our digitized devices.

If this was a criminal robbing another criminal e.g. a dope deal why would the vic make up a story and give the description as "a black man"...and leave it at that? Why would he even call the police?

I agree it's all in all odd but your line of thinking is actually less "simple" (see Ockham's razor).
 
Or he sold the watches and gun in private sales and reported a robbery to make an insurance claim, collecting twice.

I just really think the odds are far greater that the report was false than having two watches and gun stolen from you at 2:30 in the morning in a gated community.

Everything is fairly plausible until the point that he claims 2 watches were stolen.
 
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If you click on the link you will see an article where a man threw a colostomy bag at his neighbor. Now that is assault with a deadly weapon.
 
First of all, I was born and raised in C-town, and while this area is nice, it was nicer a 20 years ago. It's still no south-side of town or Baker village though.

This is just evidence, assuming that the report is true, that while you may not live on the "bad side of town", the bad guys know where the better parts are and have cars. I think a lot of people would be surprised what happened in their neck of the woods. I know when I was policing in Columbus, we had a big book at Desk Services that listed all the reports filed. You would be surprised at how many burglaries, rapes, assaults, batteries, and other crimes happen, even in the "good" side of town. The lesson here is two-fold, carry a gun, and keep awareness of the situation a priority.
 
As someone who lives in the "Bad side of town" I can tell you that robberies don't really happen to people who live here because if you live in a crappy neighborhood then you obviously have nothing of value.
 
If this was a criminal robbing another criminal e.g. a dope deal why would the vic make up a story and give the description as "a black man"...and leave it at that? Why would he even call the police?
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It's simple..... to get a police report for his home owners insurance claim. Insurance fraud is quite common.
 
Folks,

Please stop speculating. We try to limit our discussion here to what we KNOW, not what might have happened. There are no useful lessons for us in speculation.

Thanks,

Fred
 
Having a weapon is no substitute for knowing how to fight.
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^This. If a man comes up to you and puts a gun to your head, it is not the time to play fast draw, you will lose. A knowledge of hand to hand combat or a martial arts background will help you much more than being able to draw a gun as fast as Bob Munden.

"He stole BOTH of my Rolexes, when will the check be here?"
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Rolexs are getting cheaper and cheaper :rolleyes:
 
Fred Fuller said:
Folks,

Please stop speculating. We try to limit our discussion here to what we KNOW, not what might have happened. There are no useful lessons for us in speculation.

Thanks,

Fred
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I think it's human and should be okay to speculate, as long as we are truly speculating and not claiming it as fact. Only a fool takes what is heard on the news as the sole source of truth. Members of THR are intelligent and I expect them to always question and be wary, especially if something might smell fishy. Obviously we should be mature and adult about it, but that should go without saying on The High Road.
 
I don't know why many people think the victim here is lying. If he were lying about the watches, why claim 2 watches valued at 200 bucks? To lie about that makes no sense. A single watch at $800 seems is a much more believable lie.

All of which leads me to believe he's telling the truth.
 
Well, possibly because it's 200 bucks he didn't have before. And to say he had two watches stolen of $800 would draw much more attention maybe?
 
OK, then one watch valued at $200. Still, a more believable lie. Why claim two?

Or he's just another "world's dumbest criminal" I suppose. ;)
 
Situational awareness and carrying a gun are steps one can take to only reduce their chances of being the victim of a crime. Nothing practical will guarantee it. If the trash required two hands then it required two hands. Its certainly possible that the victim was forced to walk through an area full of concealment in which he had no way to detect the bad guy soon enough to act.
 
Maybe shouldn't be going out at 2:30AM to dump your garbage....either way his Spiedys were already sleepin'................
 
There are basic situational awareness constants you have to observe when you go in and out of buildings, even if you're on the good side of town.
But, as said, $700 is not a bad price for my life. It's a bargain, really.

There's not a gun I have that can't be replaced, and certainly not a watch or mobile device.

Whether or not you can fight, someone can get the drop on you if you make it easy enough for them. And there are plenty of people who make the leap from holding a gun against your head and asking for your stuff to pulling the trigger and taking it off your body.
 
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