Just finished a hog hunt

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(This is probably going to be a long post, so if you don't like reading hunting stories, you may want to find a more exciting thread to read)

Just completed a 3 day hog hunt in Texas with Mrs.11B. Between the two of us, we put down 1046 pounds of hog on the hoof, all of which are going to a local meat processor and then shipped back to 11B Manor. That is 7 hogs, the smallest was 120 pounds and the largest was 185.

This hunt was full of some weirdness that I haven't seen in previous hunts before, and I figured I'll pass on some observations while I'm at it in case anyone else is planning to go hoggin' soon.

First night, shot at 2 hogs: 1 at 50 yards at a rather steep angle, another at 150 yards. I was shooting my 300 WSM, pushing 220gr Nosler Partitions. I was doing some field tests as I intend to using them for an upcoming bear hunt.

First hog: no blood trail. None at all. Figured I had missed due to improperly factoring in the angle (I was 20 feet above him and 50 yards out).

Second hog: No blood trail.

Spend 30 minutes each trying to track the hogs. By this point, I figure something's wrong my my zero. It's dark, and the ranch owner decides to take a look around. We're 30 yards into some nasty, dense Texas undergrowth when I smell that unmistakable odor of hog. And not 10 yards from me, is the first one I shot at. Zero blood trail, almost pure luck we found it.

Look around some more and find some blood near where I shot the second hog, we start following it. More and more blood, soon it looks like he was gushing blood like a fountain, but he kept on going. Eventually, crawling on hands and knees under bushes, 150 yards from where he was shot, we finally found him.

The first hog was shot pretty much standard boiler room, both lungs gone and part of the liver. Decent exit wound but surprisingly little blood.

Second one: shot through the heart. Completely gone, pulped, liquified, destroyed. Dark red goo where the ticker was. This hog took a 220gr Partition from a 300 WSM and ran 150 yards before dying. Now, this reinforces mine and the ranch owner's opinion on the use of .223 to hunt hog. He doesn't allow it, and I'm not really into using such a small caliber on creatures like this and this is exactly why. I hear a lot of people say it's all about shot placement. Well, this was a perfectly placed shot and this hog walked it off *without a heart*. A smaller caliber like .223 similarly placed may have produced only a lingering wound. Feral hogs are tough, and my #1 rule for gunfighting or hunting is 'bring enough gun'. Head shots are fine for the range, but not when I'm hunting, it's far too easy to inhumanely wound the animal. The ranch owner showed me a hog from the last group- someone tried a head shot and ended up blowing the lower jaw off the pig. Your standards and ethics may vary.

Third hog: Shot by the wife with her .308 using 180gr Barnes TSX. Hog ran about 10 yards, fell down a hill and died within 30 seconds. Bullet was a through and through so we didn't get to recover the bullet and see how well the expansion was.

Fourth hog: Shot by me with compound bow. I was using Swhacker broadheads for the first time, shot a sow at about 25 yards. Arrow went in with just a grunt from the sow, she walked around a little bit, swayed for a minute and fell over like an AT-AT at the Battle of Hoth. Very different from being shot with a rifle. Looking at the arrow, I saw that one of the blades on the Swhacker didn't deploy. A little disappointed at that, but a dead pig is a dead pig.

Fifth hog: Wife changes over to her crossbow. She's shooting Swhackers too. Bolt passes through the front of the chest without the blades deploying. I end up having to track this hog and putting it down myself using my rifle as I was not confident that our Swhackers were working properly. Definitely not impressed with Swhacker's performance.

Sixth hog: Wife shoots another with her crossbow, this one dies after running 50 yards. Again, dead is dead, but we weren't able to see how the broadhead performed. The bolt broke inside the hog and it looked like the blades didn't deploy again, the wife just managed to pierce an artery with the ferrule.

Seventh hog: this was an unusual hog. He was very, very aggressive and had charged the ranch owner and my wife a couple of times. He was reddish and spotty, and the wife really wanted to drop him mainly because she was angry that it had charged at her. He was pretty good at finding hiding spots, but bad at observation or he was just overconfident because he wouldn't bolt unless you were right on top of him, and he'd try to get a couple of bites in before running off. He had run past the wife 3 times but the sun was in her scope, ran past where I was with my bow and walked within 2 yards of me, and laid down within a yard of my wife but neither of us could shoot. I spent 2 days stalking this pig, we finally managed to catch him bedded down in a place where I could take a shot at him, a 2x3 foot window through the brush was all I had. I spent a few minutes glassing him trying to figure out which direction his head was in and what part of his body was being presented to shoot at. Took a shot freehand at about 20 yards with the 300 WSM, the round punctured both lungs and severed his spine. First hog I've shot that was DRT.

Fun 3 days, but plagued with hog toughness and mechanical broadheads failing to work properly. That's weird because Swhackers have a pretty good reputation. I'd be willing to say that either me or the wife were not using them right, but when BOTH of us are having the same problems, then I tend to think it may be the broadheads.

If you're going hog hunting, bring enough gun. Hogs are tough, and don't know when they should be dead.
 
Sounds like a pretty eventful trip!

Just curious, have you used those broad heads before on other hunts, or was this the maiden voyage? Do you anticipate switching to a more traditional cut on contact one?


Interesting about the hog that kept going without a heart. must have been one tough hog!
 
First time bowhunting for both of us. I had tested the draw weight on my bow to make sure that it was set up above Swhacker's minimum to reliably open the mechanicals. The wife's crossbow is well over that.

We both may switch over to fixed broadheads unless we can figure out why the Swhackers failed so much, or someone can recommend a better mechanical. I have a set of Shuttle T-locks for my bow as mechanicals are not legal for hunting up here in Idaho.
 
The hog with no heart left...Was he already running on adrenaline when you popped him or was he relaxed? I have seen whitetail do something similar while being driven, but very rarely do they get out of sight when you shoot a deer that is relaxed.
 
The hog with no heart left...Was he already running on adrenaline when you popped him or was he relaxed? I have seen whitetail do something similar while being driven, but very rarely do they get out of sight when you shoot a deer that is relaxed.
He was quietly eating corn I had set out with his other hog buddies when I shot him. By all rights, he should have dropped right there
 
Stop shooting hogs like you would a deer (behind the shoulder). Start shooting them in the neck (any time circumstance permits). You can then go pick up your hog right where it stood.

If folks would follow this one piece of advice...we could FINALLY dispel with the myth that hogs are so 'tough'!
 
Flintknapper is right on the money....don't shoot them like you would a deer! I doubt there are a lot of guys around that have shot more hogs than I have over the years....I would estimate a total of between 600-700 over the past 10 years. One thing I have figured out after tracking the buggers all over the east Texas woods is you need to shoot them in the neck or front shoulder. I routinely shoot them in the 200+ lb. range and drop them on the spot with a .223 or .308. This is generally done between 70 and 100 yds and they drop on the spot.
I have my best luck just hitting them directly through the front shoulder and the most I ever have to do is occasionally put a pistol round in their head to finish them and stop the kicking.
You will hear all kinds of opinions about different bullets and calibers to drop a hog and how hard they are to kill, but hit them right and they go down with most any reasonable hunting caliber....no exotic bullets needed. I've even shot them with a 200 gr. cast out of a 44/40...and while I don't recommend it as the ultimate caliber for them, it worked just fine.
 
If you saw the same hog (reddish and spotty) more than once, it had to be fenced in. Sounds almost like a controlled experiment.

I have never used a mechanical broadhead because I saw how many deer ran of to be lost eventually when friends, etc. used them. It really didn't seem to matter what brand they were, they failed to open properly about a third of the time.

I have had great results for the last 40 years using fixed 4-blade, cut-on-contact broadheads. They discontinued my favorites which were .040" thick blades made by Hoyt.
 
Shooting hogs through the heart ...

I have popped a hog through the heart twice so far. Not that I was aiming there, but I'm not a great marksman :D

In both cases the hog ran, but left a huge blood trail. I was pretty surprised the first time, but I later read that when a human gets shot in the heart, the brain has enough oxygen to keep going for about 15-20 seconds. I guess hogs are the same.
 
I have seen a .223 do more blunt trauma to flesh than any .30 caliber bullet. Hit the ear/neck/or back then your golden.
I am a firm believer of over kill. Bullets so fast they don't use the majority of the energy on the animal. Instead passing on through. It is a delicate balance. That's the game right?

I bet a .25-06 with a 115 grain or 100 grain ballistic tip would have made that hog drop on the spot.

Good job on the hunt. Sounds like a lot of fun. Good luck next time out.
 
Stop shooting hogs like you would a deer (behind the shoulder). Start shooting them in the neck (any time circumstance permits). You can then go pick up your hog right where it stood.

If folks would follow this one piece of advice...we could FINALLY dispel with the myth that hogs are so 'tough'!
If it's a myth that hogs are tough why are you advocating a shot at something other than the boiler room?
 
It matters not that a hog is shot in the heart with a .223 or a .458 Winchester magnum. Hogs shot in the heart sometimes bang flop: Sometimes they go 100 yards or so. That's just the way it is.

Wounded hogs often leave poor blood trails.

For 15 years most of my hog hunting has been done with a muzzleloader. Currently i'm using two .54 muzzeloaders to kill hogs; one is an inline the other a conventional. Both are loaded with patched round balls. A .530 caliber round ball kills big hogs about as well as anything i've used.

Most of my hogs are killed at feeders or ponds. Most are shot in the ear or behind the ear.

This hog was shot through both lungs with a saboted 250 grain .45 caliber SST bullet from a muzzleloader. He went about 200 yards after being hit, kicked for about 45 seconds and lay still.

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll268/alsaqr/Osama-1.jpg

This old boar was shot in the ear with a.22 long rifle at about ten yards. After the first shot the hog fell over and kicked. i fired about four more rounds and he lay still.

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll268/alsaqr/CopyofBoar25Sep07001.jpg
 
I absolutely hate tracking wounded hogs...not because of any danger, because of the thick cover around here you have to negotiate to do it. A guy can debate the issue of bullet performance or just shoot them through the shoulder or neck with any reasonable caliber and be done with it. They aren't nearly as tough as a lot of occasional hunters think and a lot of myths have been built up about them in this regard. As has been stated, a round ball will even do a fine job if put in the right place.
 
If it's a myth that hogs are tough why are you advocating a shot at something other than the boiler room?

Because...I am trying to save you the unnecessary trouble of finding your hog Sir.

You stated that you spent 30 minutes (each hog) looking for a blood trail and were unsuccessful. Only when the landowner (no doubt more experienced) took up the endeavor, did you find your hogs.

I am in no way suggesting that a well placed shot to the "boiler room" will not 'kill' a hog. I AM saying...that a good many of them (when shot behind the shoulder, relatively broadside) will run some distance (as you discovered).

Hogs are notorious for not leaving much of a blood trail (at first), unless you have a very large exit wound or the exit is very low on the body.

It will vary with the size of the hog...of course...and other factors, but generally speaking (mature hogs in good shape) can/will have fairly long, dense, hair.

That hair... (often covered in dirt or caked mud) along with a layer of fat beneath the hide (ranging from just barely present to over 2" thick) impedes the flow of blood outside the body.

Exceptions...are where you have a large exit hole and/or the lung(s) are expressing the blood. Otherwise...most hogs will be bleeding INTERNALLY, more than externally. IF you happen to anchor one that way, good for you, but don't expect it.

Hogs are NOT the mega-tough critters most folks make them out to be. More often than not...they are simply shot TOO FAR BACK and then people are amazed that they didn't drop in their tracks. Deer will do the same thing and not many tout them as being 'tough'.

The 'neck shot' (every bit as large a target, maybe larger) than the 'boiler room' you shot at, is a CNS hit (Central Nervous System) the spine and spinal cord. If you will aim ANYWHERE from just in front of the shoulder... to just behind the head (midway up) you will have great success dropping your hogs. That's a foot of hog (laterally) that you can shoot at.

Google the skeletal make up of a hog and it will be readily apparent why that shot works so well (if you don't like tracking your animal). Please avoid 'head shots' unless you really know what you are doing.

Let me finish by saying...I recognize that a 'neck shot' is not always presented...or possible, but when it IS...take it. Another good shot on hogs is the 'high shoulder' shot (or even directly though the shoulders), but 'behind' the shoulder is a very distant third choice, in my book.

Congratulations on your successful hunt and I hope you have many more.

Flint.
 
^^^^ Well said...
Follow that advice and it will save you a lot of work and you will enjoy your hunt more.
Congratulations on a successful hunt...
 
Agree on head shots not being the best, they seem to rarely keep their heads still.

11B, can I ask what ranch you hunted?
 
The group we go with, several of the guys like .223 and .22-250. They have good success with them. Several others use .308s, which is what I did the first year.

I don't get to go down 3 or 4 times a year like they do, though, so I wanna make sure I anchor the animal. I use a Remington 673 guide gun in .350 mag with 225 gr. Accubonds. So far, they pretty much drop like a sack of potatoes.
 
Fun 3 days, but plagued with hog toughness and mechanical broadheads failing to work properly. That's weird because Swhackers have a pretty good reputation. I'd be willing to say that either me or the wife were not using them right, but when BOTH of us are having the same problems, then I tend to think it may be the broadheads.

If you're going hog hunting, bring enough gun. Hogs are tough, and don't know when they should be dead.

Great after-action report, thanks.

Question on the guns: were only .30-cal bolt guns allowed by this owner, ... or does he/would he permit something on the AR-platform in .308/7.62 or .300 BLK?

I can understand his disallowance of using .223/5.56 on the hogs on his property - his property, his rules. Those pigs there sound like pretty tough rascals.
 
Great after-action report, thanks.

Question on the guns: were only .30-cal bolt guns allowed by this owner, ... or does he/would he permit something on the AR-platform in .308/7.62 or .300 BLK?

I can understand his disallowance of using .223/5.56 on the hogs on his property - his property, his rules. Those pigs there sound like pretty tough rascals.
He allows AR-10s and smaller calibers, just no .223 or smaller. The wife and I shoot .30 cal as it makes it easier on the reloading supplies and we can knock down just about anything we're hunting.
 
The 'Langely' ranch enjoys a very good (and well deserved) reputation.

If I had to guess....the caliber limitation is probably just a policy to help increase the odds of customers retrieving their animal. Shot placement is critical of course...but larger...more powerful cartridges can be more effective.

Needless to say, you can't shoot hogs 'around the edges' with ANY common hunting cartridge and expect good results.

But... they also have a rule that states IF blood, bone or evidence of a wounded hog is discovered, then the hunter must pay a $150.00 fee. Which is certainly reasonable.

The staff there wants you to have a good time and the best chance at taking a pig...so the caliber restriction seems to make sense to me...considering they get folks of varied experience and shooting talent.
 
The 'Langely' ranch enjoys a very good (and well deserved) reputation.

If I had to guess....the caliber limitation is probably just a policy to help increase the odds of customers retrieving their animal. Shot placement is critical of course...but larger...more powerful cartridges can be more effective.

Needless to say, you can't shoot hogs 'around the edges' with ANY common hunting cartridge and expect good results.

But... they also have a rule that states IF blood, bone or evidence of a wounded hog is discovered, then the hunter must pay a $150.00 fee. Which is certainly reasonable.

The staff there wants you to have a good time and the best chance at taking a pig...so the caliber restriction seems to make sense to me...considering they get folks of varied experience and shooting talent.

Exactly. Joe and his son-in-law Randy have been very good hosts for us when we've been down there, which is why we keep returning. I think I've shown Joe that I can shoot fairly straight for a non-Texan and can take care of myself in the bush that he doesn't worry about me so much and he can spend more time guiding for the Mrs.

Joe has stated that he's seen too many hogs shot with .223 that just keep on going, even with good shot placement. I think his policy is sound. I stick with .30 cal anyway, it's more than sufficient for just about everthing on this continent, and I have made the wife a true believer of the merits of .308 Win over 7mm-08.

The outfitters we are using next week when we go bear hunting usually guide their customers to use a 45-70 as it's a bit more forgiving if the shot doesn't hit the boiler room, and it makes a nice bleeding hole to increase the odds of recovering the bear. As much as I'd like an excuse to pick up a Marlin or Henry, my 300 WSM has more than enough 'sit down bear' power.
 
I'd just take a Marlin 30-30 and be done with the debate, but if that was in question I'd take the Ruger 77/44.

Any of these mentioned calibers is well worthy of killing a pig. We've killed pigs with .22 LR, and it wasn't some freak of nature to do it. Just a 40 grain solid right to the ear. Pig flips over and runs on his side til the nerves stop firing.
 
Stop shooting hogs like you would a deer (behind the shoulder). Start shooting them in the neck (any time circumstance permits). You can then go pick up your hog right where it stood.

If folks would follow this one piece of advice...we could FINALLY dispel with the myth that hogs are so 'tough'!
+1! The last run-off I had with a hog was one we walked up and I nailed him behind the shoulder on the run. We gave up looking after a half hour or so. No blood, too thick to find a reference point. Saw the dirt fly from the .30-30 170 grain and heard the thwack, so I know I got him. I don't spend a tremendous amount of time looking for run-off pigs. There are always more, and a buzzards got to eat. We saw a couple of rattlers that trip, so I wasn't to keen on crawling around.
 
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