Just plain unbelievable stupidity in MA: Assisting a suicide by firearm

Status
Not open for further replies.

takhtakaal

Member
Joined
Nov 16, 2007
Messages
853
http://tinyurl.com/373dyk

Prison for Mass. man who aided suicide

By STEPHANIE REITZ
Associated Press Writer
Buy AP Photo Reprints

Your Questions Answered
Ask AP: Drugs in drinking water

PITTSFIELD, Mass. (AP) -- A man who gave a loaded gun to his suicidal friend to "snap her out of it" and then watched in shock as she killed herself was sentenced Friday to up to five years in prison for his role in her death.

Christopher Burda, a lighting company owner with no previous criminal record, was convicted of involuntary manslaughter Tuesday for the November 2005 suicide of Nancy Choquette of Stamford, Vt.

He wiped away tears throughout his sentencing, then apologized to Choquette's family and his own.

"My deepest condolences and most heartfelt apologies," he said haltingly, often trailing off to regain his composure. "I had a much better speech, apology, if you want, but that's really all I can get through at this point."

Burda, 46, was ordered to serve between four and five years in prison - less that the 10 to 15 years sought by prosecutors. Defense attorney Leonard Cohen said Burda had not yet decided whether to appeal the conviction or the sentence.

Burda told police that Choquette, a former employee of his, was visiting his North Adams home on the night of her 51st birthday when she became despondent over marriage problems, her father's death and other difficulties.

When she threatened suicide, he said he tried "calling her bluff" by retrieving and loading a 9mm Beretta he had purchased from her late father. Choquette lifted it to her head and killed herself just a few feet away from him.

He told police her last words were: "I'm going to do it, and you're going to watch."

Prosecutor Joan McMenemy said Burda added to his culpability by reloading the gun with three fresh bullets when it failed to fire on Choquette's first try. McMenemy said that decision defied logic when he could instead have called 911 or sought other help.

Prosecutors said throughout the trial that Burda should have known Choquette was too distraught and intoxicated to be trusted with a loaded weapon, especially one with such emotional significance.

Burda's friends and his father described him as a compassionate person who made a mistake but always had the best interests of his friends at heart. Choquette's family, however, said in a statement to the judge that a true friend would have ensured her safety.

"We are truly different people because of this," her son, Jamie Choquette, said of himself and his father, David. "We both feel this is a situation where a small amount of common sense could have avoided this tragedy."

Superior Court Judge John Agostini said Burda showed "very, very terrible judgment," but that he gave him less time than prosecutors sought because of Burda's lack of criminal history, the fact that alcohol and other factors were involved and the knowledge that nothing would comfort Choquette's and Burda's families.
 
Shed'a done it one way or another - gun or no gun. He just made it a bit easier.

At least she had company when she departed the plane of the living.

Should the guy have gotten prison time? Sittin' on the fence here. He was incredibly stupid - not sure that that level of stupidity rates jail time though?
 
Werewolf said:
Shed'a done it one way or another - gun or no gun. He just made it a bit easier.
Seems to me that he made it not just a bit easier, but a whole lot easier. He is clearly culpable.

Sad. So sad.
 
I really don't think he should have been found guilty of ANY type of manslaughter, there isn't a whole lot you can do if someone is dead-set on doing themself in. It's really too bad though that he called her bluff with rounds in the room. Before anyone says "all guns are always loaded" I do think that tricking someone into thinking they had a loaded gun might have possibly been helpful in breaking through to her.
Really sad.
 
I wonder if the gun was actually loaded when he first handed it to her. Maybe it was on an empty chamber.

Either way, stupidity.
 
Stupid? Sure. Sad? Very. But should it be illegal? I say no. This was consentual activity between adults. In my wanna-be-Libertarian world, no activity between consenting adults should be illegal.
 
Shed'a done it one way or another
I really don't think he should have been found guilty of ANY type of manslaughter, there isn't a whole lot you can do if someone
She was sitting right in front of him and just tried to shoot herself in the head. The LAST thing you do is load it and let her try again. You call 911 and get her some damn help!!!

Culpable?? You bet!!

If I was stupid enough to do something like that I would plead guilty, accept my jail sentence, and serve it. It would be nothing next to what my conscience would do to me.

In my wanna-be-Libertarian world, no activity between consenting adults should be illegal.
She clearly wasn't of sound mind. A person dying of a terminal disease is completely different from someone suffering from severe depression. The depression can be treated and isn't fatal in and of itself.

He should have gotten her an ambulance not a gun.
 
BobbyQuickdraw said:
I wonder if the gun was actually loaded when he first handed it to her. Maybe it was on an empty chamber.

Bobby, it was a 9mm Beretta. That means a semi-auto. The only empty "chamber," being at the front of the barrel and in front of the breech and the firing pin, would quickly fill itself from an inserted magazine, once the slide was racked. You're thinking revolver "geography" here.
 
This is a tough one. Sure, I'd agree that in a perfect world two consenting adults need not be hassled by the government for what they do together, but -

Someone who has come out and told you that they are suicidal may not count as "consenting" or even "stable" anymore. If that behavior were considered "normal" by society, then we'd all be offing ourselves when we had a bad day.

The gun owner in this case clearly did not understand the gravity of the situation. Duh. He should not have provided a ready means for his friend to remove herself from his life. I suspect that he knows this now.

The deceased also showed that her friend didn't mean much to her, if indeed her last words were, "I'm going to do this and you're going to watch." How selfish and ridiculous.

If the situation had been different, and she had thought out the ramifications, and made preparations to remove herself from this world, and was not "despondent," then I think this would be different. At that stage, as long as she had no beef with whatever deity in which she held a belief, there would be no "crime" to society, her friends, family, or anyone else. Sadness, yeah, culpability, no.
 
Sorry but that S.O.B. is EVIL not stupid. I was juror on a murder trial where this guy created so much bad blood and wound up these two dudes just to stand back to see what would happen. He expressed so much shock when his friend pulled a pistol and blew the other guy away.
 
5 years sounds about right.

This is no different than giving a drunk your car keys because they want to go for a drive.
 
I really don't think he should have been found guilty of ANY type of manslaughter

I agree. Her intervening intentional act of self-killing should trump any negligence on his part, at least CRIMINAL negligence. The conviction is totally improper and should be overturned on appeal.

This is no different than giving a drunk your car keys because they want to go for a drive.

How many such people are convicted of manslaughter? The proper remedy is civil, not criminal. This is a gross misuse of the legal system for purposes of grabbing headlines.

If this man can be held criminally responsible, you need to reconsider whether you can sell any of your firearms to anyone. Consider the STATE we're talking about here. MA=AN EVIL PLACE RUN BY OUR SWORN FOES. This is one more piece of their plan to put the government in control of everyone's life.
 
What an idiot! I'm now ashamed to be from MA. (No, I wasn't before now.)

Edit: I'm retracting my previous statement. That guy is a moron.
 
You can't stop people from killing themselves, and nobody else should bear any responsibility for the act. To think otherwise is to buy into the doctrine that WE ARE CHILDREN.

There is no crime here, other than the conviction. I bear no responsibility for a fellow adult and visa versa, unless I pull a trigger. That's the world of adults. The fool woman who shot herself is 100% responsible for her actions, which leaves no % for the man who handed her a pistol. Wanna know how to avoid this sort of thing? DON'T FRICKING SHOOT YOUR OWN FOOL HEAD OFF YOU IDIOT! Stupid stupid people
 
Should the guy have gotten prison time? Sittin' on the fence here.
Do we make society any safer for locking him up? It doesn't seem like it to me, he didn't kill her.
 
Shouldn't they focus on who pulled the trigger? Guess we call that one a little bleach for the gene pool.
 
You don't go yelling fire in a movie theater because it's a bad idea. You don't give a drunk your car keys and you don't play games with a drunken suicidal person buy giving them a loaded gun.

I'll wager there was a crime committed.
 
"It was MA for G-d's sake. What else would you expect?"

How very "high road" of you. If something stupid ever happens in WA (and it will), I'll make sure to attack the state, not the criminal.

/rolls eyes
 
The fault is solely, exclusively and completely on the person who shot herself. To think otherwise is to go down the same path that leads to.. well, to MASS! Adults are responsible for their own actions, period. Should range masters now be thrown behind bars because a patron comes in and caps himself on the firing line? That happens on a pretty frequent basis around the country, you know. Should there be a psych screening? Why should I be responsible for telling if you're a nutcase who's going to kill himself? And why does it matter if you do? Self killing contains its own punishment, unlike shouting fire in a theater or giving keys to a drunk. The responsible party is killed and provided they hurt nobody else, liability should die with them.

I have NO SYMPATHY for the relatives or the dead woman.
 
It's my understanding that an accomplice is someone who aids a criminal in commissioning their act and is present at the time of the crime. Under the law, the accomplice is held to the same degree of guilt as the person committing the crime.

Based on my incredibly limited knowledge of the law (which stems almost entirely from Wikipedia), it sounds to me like he is responsible. He helped the person commit the crime and stood there looking on.
 
The idea that someone who is going to commit suicide will do it with or without your help is incorrect. Someone who is emotionally disturbed will make decisions they would not make even a short time later. I know this from my own personal experience dealing with suicidal friends (been there, done that). It's wrong to "help" them carry out their decision to die when they are in such a state. Providing and loading the firearm could be all someone in that precarious state needs to push them over the edge.
 
I think it boils down to this--He's only responsible if you view suicide as a crime. If suicide is a not a crime, he cannot be held responsible
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top