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Im trying to figure this out really i am.

If the inland is the most common m1 carbine, then why is teh cheapest one i can find online, even in auctions a minimum 1200 dollars?

Why is it that UNIVERSAL and PLAINFIELDs and IVER JOHNSONS no matter condition, or what version, are an item with a minimum reserve price of 7-800?
 
Simple.

UNIVERSAL and PLAINFIELDs and IVER JOHNSONS are not USGI carbines.

Universal and Iver Johnsons have a particularly bad rep for the receivers bending out of spec and firing out of battery as a result. Plainfields are a repro receiver and usually stock which may use USGI small parts. I have heard less bad press about these.

After research, the Kahr/Auto Ordinance is the only repro I felt comfortable purchasing. I may have bought a Plainfield if one came up for less than a new AO.
 
well whats your auto ordnance m1 carbine copy been behaving? does it feed well? accuracy?

Ivbe seen early magazine reviews that just glowed about it as if it cooked dinner for you, washed the dishes, burped you, wiped your bottom, and put you in bed and tucked you in.

And from the same month, ive seen reviews of "trash, paperweight, wheres my money back?"
 
I'll be honest - even though I love WWII weapons, I never saw the point of the M1 Carbine. I have a Garand, M1903, Mausers in 8mm and 6.5, Finn and Russian Mosins. I kinda like "BOOM" over "pew-pew."

I was given a bunch of 30 Carbine ammo, a mix of milsurp and commercial reloads from the 50's and 60's by a widow - the guns were already gone. So I looked for a GI M1 Carbine to use with it. I searched and came up with $1200 USGI carbines all day long. Since I was shooting unknown/untrusted ammo, I justified the purchase of an AO Carbine. If I blew up a USGI relic by shooting "found" ammo, I would be upset. A knock-off, not so much.

I am in love with the thing. All of the gifted ammo is long gone, as well as several hundred reloads. I have owned my AR for years, the M1 Carbine for a few months. The round count on the Carbine is higher than the AR, probably double it. I can't stop shooting it. Since I have gotten it, I have shot it more than any other gun.

The included mag will sometimes hang up on the first or next-to-last round, but good USGI mags (included with the ammo) work fine. Only one USGI 10-rounder, marked "RUSS" is completely unreliable in the gun. Other than that it has been 100%.

I really like the AO. Even though I never wanted a USGI carbine, I really want one now...the carbine is just a fun gun to shoot. I am looking for a USGI Carbine more than ever. With that said, I will most likely keep the GI mostly as a safe queen, since I think the AO is just about a perfect shooter M1 Carbine and I do not plan on getting rid of it.

As far as accuracy, I am happy with it. Here is a report from some of the first reloads I ran through it:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=9586382#post9586382

About a 1.5" group at 50 yards, without using a rest. My eyes won't do much better than that with open sights.
 
any idea of the feed ramp on that AO? heard thats main cause of feed issues.

How do you manage to get used to the thinner reciever though? seems WIERD.
 
You are looking in the wrong places if you are finding them at those prices. You can still get a good USGI Carbine in the$750 range
 
M1 carbines are not rare. I personally believe that the current prices are too high.

I started a collection of carbines, by manufacturer, back when you could buy the common ones for $200 or less. After I had accumulated about half the manufacturers, I decided I didn't like the gun, and sold them all. I don't regret the decision, even to this day.

Collecting fads come and go. I think the M1 carbine craze is at its peak right now. Something is seriously wrong when a carbine costs more than an M1 Garand.
 
Its all about supply and demand. CMP hasnt had a good supply of carbines for years and there are no other sources so prices have risen. Again, if you take your time and look around you can find good non import marked shooters in the $700- $750 range
 
show me one, that doesnt have a 1,000 dollar reserve price on it.


Sure the guys on the CMP forum sell at reasonable prices, but i cant register an account on that forum site, and no one in their admin section will reply to an email.
 
I never said you could find one that cheap on a auction site, you need to search gun forums
E-mail CMP customer service if you are having registraton problems
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Again, if take your time there are deals out there
 
maxxhavoc said:
The included mag will sometimes hang up on the first or next-to-last round, but good USGI mags (included with the ammo) work fine. Only one USGI 10-rounder, marked "RUSS" is completely unreliable in the gun. Other than that it has been 100%.
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I don't think there were any 10 round GI magazines. I've only seen 15 and 30. It is probably an aftermarket, or someone "converted" a GI to 10 round, and it's not functioning properly.

Like everything else, gun prices are market driven. If there's a strong demand, prices go up. Some pistol ranges allow carbines to be shot, this increases it's versatility over a Garand. Hence, a premium over an M-1 isn't so crazy. Ammo is less expensive, another factor. It's easy on the shoulder, another plus for an aging population, and easier for grandkids, too. Same pluses for it's weight.

Not hard to see why they're going up.
 
Took my Inland out to the range for the first time yesterday. My two old USGI mags worked fine. Only one of my brand new Korean mags did. YMWV...
 
I'm sure the price will go raise rapidly at the last minute. Especially now that you have posted a link to it
 
theres dishonesty in the m1 carbine market. Ive seen a few things that make me laugh.

Saw a universal with a usgi barrel on it, everything else was standard universal parts. it had a scope on it, and was listed as a "rare" prototype.

Even seen the same for that plainfield? company that liked perforated metal handguards.


The market is overpriced, but it doesnt help with companies like Rock River arms buying up the cheapest carbines and garands it can find, and then doubling the price after they refinish it, and put a new barrel on.

The people selling the barrlled actions makes me sad.
 
There is dishonesty in all collectable firearms market, it is nothing new and is not limited to the Carbine market
 
maxxhavoc said:
Simple.

UNIVERSAL and PLAINFIELDs and IVER JOHNSONS are not USGI carbines.

Universal and Iver Johnsons have a particularly bad rep for the receivers bending out of spec and firing out of battery as a result. Plainfields are a repro receiver and usually stock which may use USGI small parts. I have heard less bad press about these.

After research, the Kahr/Auto Ordinance is the only repro I felt comfortable purchasing. I may have bought a Plainfield if one came up for less than a new AO.
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Just a note, Iver-Johnson purchased Plainfield in 1977 and continued making the Plainfield carbines in the same factory with the same tooling until 1983. The only thing that changed is the roll mark. From 1983 onward, I-J was under new ownership and manufacturing was moved to Jacksonville, Arkansas and quality went down hill from there.
 
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