Skylerbone
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But that deal is $600 and no night sights.
Kahr cm9 or pm9?
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To respond to the previous question about pocket carry Shield vs PM9. I do own both and I find the Shield to carry a lot larger in the pocket than my PM9. I will not purchase a pocket holster for this gun. I'm not saying it can't be done but is a noticeable difference from the Kahr. If I am wearing dress slacks I think the PM9 is marginal. My 340pd revolver carry's perfect in that category. I do not see a lot of difference when carrying IWB between the Shield and the PM9.
I have had no issues with the cm9 and am not sure I needed any of the upgrades you get with the PM9. Not saying there isn't a set-up with the PM9, just saying I didn't need it and I was happy to save the difference for a pocket pistol
wow6599,
It sounds like the correct question is do YOU have real-world experience with both?
I own a CM9. My father owns a PM9. I have shot both pistols back-to-back on numerous occasions. I am well aware of the differences and similarities between the two models.
You seem to be a bit ignorant of the actual extent of the extent of the differences between the slide of the CM9 and PM9. While the CM9 has a more angular slide (especially at the front, which is still nicely beveled), there are no sharp edges anywhere on the slide except for the front edge of the ejection port opening and the slide serrations. The PM9 shares these same edges.
Therefore, I can stand my my initial comments.
Skylerbone
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Sounds like the OP will need to decide between two excellent pistols that are both within his price range. I love a good bargain myself but that has yet to keep me from owning multiple firearms in the $2,000+ range. Sometimes one speaks to you and another does not.
wow6599
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No, I don't really have any "real-world experience with both". I own them both, but I have to admit I'm afraid to shoot them (loud noises and all).
The PM9 has more melt to it than the CM9, giving the PM9 "softer" edges (especially the slide serrations). But, it's late..... and I don't feel like arguing.
I will leave you with an excerpt from a review Mas Ayoob did on the CM9, though I can't guarantee he has any real world experience either -
"From the moment we cleared the CM9 out of the box, we spotted what may be another cost cutting measure: less polish on the underside of the slide. Most Kahr slides work very smoothly. This one definitely grated along its track, making it a bit more difficult to run to the rear. Maybe not the best place to economize"
- Massad Ayoob, April / May On Target
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ScottieG59
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I see no reason to go with any discounted firearms. I would rather have a good Ruger than a cheapened Kahr. If money were tight, I would skip the CM series, but that is me. I do not buy often, but I stay with the quality product.
The MIM slide lock may be fine, but I do not know that. If it is as good, why not simply use it on the PM too.
I do not do plastic sights.
I save nothing when they take away a magazine. I will buy spares anyway.
Ultimately, whatever you prefer, it should be based on your priorities.
The MIM slide lock may be fine, but I do not know that. If it is as good, why not simply use it on the PM too.
I do not do plastic sights.
I save nothing when they take away a magazine. I will buy spares anyway.
Ultimately, whatever you prefer, it should be based on your priorities.
GlackAttack
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I've pretty much had my mind set on the PM9 from the beginning, just wanted to hear what others have thought about them both, first hand. I'm hoping to find a black one with night sights, my lgs only has them in stainless for some reason. I think it is because the black ones are more expensive on the website, so they would have to mark it even higher than the $850 they were asking for the stainless. I think I will be online shopping for this one. 
hardluk1
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I own a cm9 and have range buddywith a pm9. Yes there are small difference's Not enought for me to care about. Beveled front edges are nice but does not help to clear it any quicker. Roll marks to lazer?? Triggers feel the same , accuracy as the same. Both are relieable as you can get. Guess I look at them like I would to 1911's. If a springfield proves to runs as well as a brand x for way less maoney . I would own the springfield. Same guy has 2 of the springers with over 10,000 rounds fired with only spring changes. Barrels are about shot out but still going bang evertime and still place's well in his matchs.
Spend your money on the model and brand that you want and stop whinn'n about small difference's.
Spend your money on the model and brand that you want and stop whinn'n about small difference's.
I'm not arguing - only relating my factual experience.
Yes - the PM9 definitely has softer edges on the exterior of the slide (as I stated in my earlier post), but the CM9 (at least mine and all others I've handled) is FAR from a being a "shaving razor." The blockier slide of the CM9 is still very nicely finished and the chamfer cut into the front of the slide makes holstering no more difficult than the PM9.
What I find admirable is that Kahr, when reducing the machining operations to the slide to save cost, actually passed those savings to the consumer with the CM9, without sacrificing any of the function of the PM9. So many other companies "cut corners" with products and then pocket the money and charge the same price they've always charged.
Sounds like Ayoob (and possibly yourself?) got a bad example. There is no difference at all between the smoothness of racking the slide of my CM9 versus a PM9 (or MK9 with a steel frame).
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My CM9 does not have the rough underside or razor edges described above. It has one edge that is a little sharp, one of the top inner edges of ejection port. I literally had to run my hand all over the gun deliberately feeling around to try and find it. It is not a place I would likely every touch in carrying or operating the gun. AS to roughness it feels about like my K9s and my friends P9.
I got my CM9 for what I figured was a good price, $325. It is not quite as nicely made as my K9s but I am content with it. I have only put a few hundred rounds through it, but thus far it has been perfectly reliable and shoots well. I really like it for what it is. For the money I really like it.
I got my CM9 for what I figured was a good price, $325. It is not quite as nicely made as my K9s but I am content with it. I have only put a few hundred rounds through it, but thus far it has been perfectly reliable and shoots well. I really like it for what it is. For the money I really like it.
WRB pocket holster - I bought it at a gun show in Houston, but they are on the web if you google them..
My holster is actually my old Kahr PM9 holster... When I got the shield, I used the Kahr holster - only had to pop 2 stiches in the trigger guard area.
Its cut perfect otherwise... Very easy to use your fingers to push down on the holster while drawing the but. It's shaped perfectly for that.
I did order one specifically made for the Shield a week or so later. However, I have found that for the holster made for the shield -- the entire holster tends to come out with the gun. So, the WRB holster made for the PM9 is my preference...
Skylerbone
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My 3 yr. old couldn't shave with this...
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