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Doesn't anyone on this forum own and operate Kahr handguns? I own two, a K9 and a K40. Both are the all stainless models. The K40 is about three years old and is my favorite carry gun, it's powerful, accurate and has a very good trigger action. And they conceal easily.
I'm not too kool on plastic guns including Glocks and the Kahr tupperware models. The all stainless are relatively heavy but they do feel like real guns when you fire them, the weight goes a long way toward controllability and I like that. It seems the all stainless Kahr's have far fewer problems than their plastic framed brothers.
This forum seems taken up by 1911 shooters and don't misunderstand, that's ok by me, I really love 1911's, I just can't afford the Les Baur I've always wanted and some of the less expensive models seem to be poor performers.
I would enjoy hearing some talk from other Kahr owners and their experiences.
I realize some folks are wrongly informed thinking that moonies own Kahr, that simply is not true.
Kahr makes parts for NAA mini guns and no one calls them moony guns, why is that? The truth is that Kahrs are 100% made in America by 100% American workers who feed and house their 100% American families living in a 100% All American city like Worcester, Mass. Gun magazine writers have described the Kahr products as being as well made as a Swiss watch, and I have to agree with that statement. I have fired thousands of rounds through both of my Kahr's with no problems but I will have to admit to installing Wolff's stronger recoil springs for no reason except that I've had such good luck with Wolff springs in my S&W's and Taurus revolvers.
You guys and gals ought to try a Kahr gun, you might be pleasantly surprised.
 
I've tried a few, and they are good guns.

Just not my preference.

Glad they work so well for you.
 
I have 3. My first was unintentional. A dealer that I do alot of business with had an MK9 stainless with Trijicon night sights new for $350. Thought "what the hell" and bought it. Like it very much. In fact this thing pursuaded me to buy a similarly equipped K9 (paid much more for this, though). Finally, I just had to have a PM9 when they came out. It was $25 more than my K9 and didn't even have night sights. All are accurate, reliable and easily concealed. If I had to pick a favorite, it would be the K9. Small enough to conceal readily, but also big enough to enjoy on extended shooting outings.
 
I've got an MK40. Its been an excellent carry gun, but its for sale http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=10387134

If it wasn't for the fact that I really really really want an AR15 right now (and I want to make sure I get one before they renew the AWB or replace it with something worse), I'd be keeping it because frankly as far as I'm concerned the Kahr MK pistols are the perfect CCW weapon.
 
I've only recently started seeing them in the shops I frequent. I hope to be able to try one out one of these days.
 
I think you will find that most people here are favorable towards Kahr, though not always the polymers. If you do a search, I think you will find many threads here, including discussions about Moonies & such.

I own a stainless K9 which I bought NIB because of rave reviews and my trustworthy friend. It came outta box with rust on the frame & slide, and one of the followers had to be dremelled to feed properly. Seems like most other complaints are about cosmetics rather than performance.

For me, I do not like the trigger -don't get me wrong, there's not much smoother in a DAO-style, but I'm used to my 1911s and my P7s. So if you were to ask me, I just have other preferences. Doesn't make your choice any worse.
 
You know, this discussion just made me realize that I haven't seen one of these at gunshows since the PM series came out. I'm assuming they are just getting so popular that they get snapped up immediately. Kind of like to have either an MK40 or K40 Covert. I don't think I want to experience the .40 S&W in a polymer Kahr. Some gluttons for punishment are actually eagerly awaiting a PM40.
 
I used to have an MK40, but sold it with the intention of replacing it with an MK9 (just decided I didn't want .40 in the collection). But, I ended up eventually replacing the MK40 with a PM9. Both are great guns. Amazingly accurate for their size.
 
I have a K9, affectionately known as "Rover" I carry it quite often. It has Trijicons and is very accurate for a gun of it's size. Everytime I take it to the range someone comments on the group size and cannot believe a small gun shoots that well.
 
I've been carrying a Kahr .40 for 3+ years now.

My 1st Gen. K40 is still ticking along after 2k rounds and the only maintenance I've done is a main spring change-out at 1k rounds.

Only complaint is I wish I'd picked up the stainless version; the finish on the 'blue' model doesn't wear well and has a lot of holster wear.

Oh yeah, and it's a pain to strip for cleaning; those tight machining tolerances can be a pain sometimes.
 
Try the search feature, and you'll see how many of us have, and love, our Kahrs.

While I'm primarily a revolver guy for my CCW, I do carry my K9 occasionally.

As a matter of fact, here. I've done the search for you. Click the text below, kick back, have something to drink, and have fun reading. :)

All our Kahr threads...


That's 423 separate threads, not messages, in which Kahr firearms are mentioned...
 
A dealer that I do alot of business with had an MK9 stainless with Trijicon night sights new for $350. Thought "what the hell" and bought it.

What the hell indeed! I would have snapped that up in a second!

I had a Kahr E-9 (K-9) and it was the best gun I have ever had. I don't regret most of the guns that I have sold but I regret selling this one everyday.:( The only thing that keeps me going is the hope that I will find a nice K-98 Elite with night sights for a steal.
 
its not a 'moonie' gun.
however the founder is the son of the reverant soon yung moon. And the funds used to found kahr were from the 'church of unification.' I don't hold that against them, but some might.


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From "American Handgunner" Nov/Dec 2001

THE RISE OF THE HOUSE OF KAHR
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KAHR ARMS CAME OUT OF NOWHERE TO DOMINATE THE ULTRA-COMPACT PISTOL MARKET. WHY DID THE KAHR DESIGN FLOURISH WHERE OTHERS HAVE FAILED?

They had a small booth in an out-of-the-way corner of the massive firearms trade exhibit known as the SHOT Show, yet nothing so trivial as a remote location could impede the buzz. Word was spreading across the show floor about this new gun called the Kahr. It was said to be the slickest little double-action 9mm pocket pistol since the Devel conversion of the Smith Model 39, and it was being offered at an unbelievably low price.
Such talk is a magnet. I was drawn to the humble booth like a moth to a search-light. My first reaction was, "No way. Somebody paid a fortune to build this prototype, but no way can it be produced as nicely as this. Not at the price they're talking. If it even works. Big if.
"They're gonna get a ton of prepaid orders, cash the checks, and disappear," I surmised pessimistically. Shades of Bren Ten. In the immortal words of The Fonz, we now admit that we were "Wr... wruh... wrong!"
Now six years later, Kahr pistols have become one of the handgun world's greatest success stories of the last decade - the Glock of the Nineties. (Kahr has gone on to pass the tortuous approval test by NYPD for off-duty carry with the K9 model.) No less a personality than Bill Wilson has put forth a series of customized Kahrs. Dealers tell us they can't keep them in stock.
The models have evolved from small to smallest, light, lighter and lightest and increasingly more high-tech as polymer models have entered the line. The 9mm chambering has been expanded to the .40 S&W caliber.
Not only has the line expanded with new models and calibers, the company itself has risen liken a dot-com stock. Kahr Arms absorbed Auto-Ordnance and now manufactures and sells that company's Thompson submachineguns and generic 1911-A1 pistols.
You read it here first - Kahr Arms may well be the next Kimber on the 1911 horizon.
One thing few observers realized when Kahr first trotted onto the scene was that the firm wasn't just a stand-alone. From the beginning, Kahr was a division of the Saeilo Group. Pronounced "Say-low", the parent company was founded in 1983 by Kahr Arm's founder, Justin Moon's father, Rev. Sun Myong Moon. According to a company spokesman, the Rev. Moon is no longer involved in Saeilo Group.
Specializing in precision metal-working, Saeilo was in a position to render the fledgling gunmaker expert advice on metallurgy and production efficiency. By 2001, Saeilo would employ 220 workers, and some 20 percent of its income was generated by the Kahr Arms division.
Justin Moon designed the guns and serves as CEO of the company. He is a wunderkind in his field. He was only 25 years old when Kahr Arms emerged, and only 30 when we interviewed him for this story.
The son of the founder of the controversial Unification Church, Moon is well spoken and articulate. He has produced the most successful small pistol to ever enter the market with so little fanfare. He is as engaging to interview as he is gifted in his ability to make a good gun.

THE INTERVIEW
Ayoob: Tell us something about your background.
Moon: I was born in Seoul, Korea, on July 17, 1970. I came to U.S. in 1973 and have lived here ever since. I went to school, from kindergarten to high school, at Hackely School, a small private school in Tarrytown, N.Y. I graduated from high school Cum Laude and was accepted into Vassar College. I transferred from Vassar to Harvard University and graduated Magna Cum Laude with a bachelor of arts degree in economics.
Ayoob: How did you become involved in firearms?
Moon: I have been interested in guns for as long as I can remember. Even as a child, toy soldiers and toy guns were my favorite playthings. My favorite subject in middle school and high school was history. I loved reading about weapons of all sorts.
Ayoob: Your shooting experience?
Moon: My first experience shooting was with my older brother when I was 14. He also liked guns and took me shooting with friends and family. We would have a great time setting up and shooting targets with an assortment of firearms. Ever since that first shooting experience, I continued to pursue my interest in firearms. I maintain several subscriptions to firearms magazines which I voraciously digest.
Ayoob: Training?
Moon: My training in firearms comes largely from reading about guns and from practicing with my brothers and some friends involved in the personal security industry.
Ayoob: Tell us how you became involved in the firearms industry.
Moon: When I was finishing my junior year in college, I began thinking about the path I should follow after I graduated. I thought about doing what everyone else did - either join Corporate America or continue with education. However, upon reflection, those options did not appeal to me. I wanted to work right away, and in a field I enjoyed.
I decided that I would like to work in the firearms industry. I had been licensed to carry in New York State since I was 18, and had looked for an ultra-compact 9mm pistol. However, to my chagrin, I could not find a pistol with the quality of construction and features in design which I felt were appropriate for a carry arm. Therefore, I decided to design an ultra-compact 9mm pistol that I could carry.
I figured there were many shooters like myself who desired to have a truly carryable 9mm pistol. I spent the summer and much of my senior year designing the mechanical layout of the pistol and prototyping various designs concepts. By the time I graduated I had pretty much solved all the conceptual problems that hindered the manufacture of the pistol that I had in mind. From there I partnered with Saeilo to move to prototype the pistol and prepare for production.
Ayoob: Where did the name Kahr come from?
Moon: When it came to marketing the pistol, I did not feel that Saeilo would be a "catchy" name to put on my gun. I wanted a name that was short, easy to remember, and symbolic of the high quality of manufacture. Given Germany's renown for engineering prowess and quality, I wanted a name that sounded German. That's how I came up with "Kahr."
Ayoob: What do you feel was the heart of the Kahr pistol's design concept?
Moon: The primary specification that I started with were to build a double-action–only, breech-locking, striker-fired 9mm that was no larger than a Walther PPK .380. Breech-lock mechanism and striker-fired pistols have been around for decades and the use of that basic technology was of course borrowed from prior art. The challenging aspect of the development was to figure out how to incorporate those features into a gun that was no larger than the venerable PPK.
Ayoob: Yet, in the end, you wound up with, what four or five patents on the Kahr design?
Moon: In all, five patents were received on the Kahr pistol design. The most important of the patents is the Staggered Barrel Locking Lug. By offsetting the barrel lug and staggering it with the trigger and trigger bar assembly, I was able to greatly reduce the vertical height of the pistol from the trigger to the top of the slide. This innovation made it possible to greatly lower the bore axis of the pistol and helped compress a breech lock design toward the dimension of a simple blow back design.
That innovation in conjunction with a second patent that explained a Method of Retaining a Trigger Bar Onto a Trigger made the Kahr pistols possible. This second innovation was necessary in order to keep the thin overall dimension of the pistol. The second patent made it possible to attach the trigger bar to the trigger with minimum use of space.
The third patent covers the Striker Activation System of the pistol. The use of the "cocking cam" to both actuate the striker and deactivate the safety gives Kahr pistols a uniquely smooth and consistent double-action trigger pull.
The fourth patent explains a method of an Inertia Fired Striker. This patent is less critical in that there are a number of methods explained in the art of how to achieve this function.
The fifth patent is related to Kahr's unique extractor design. The extractor's uniqueness is that its pivoting motion is limited in one direction to make "failures to extract" a near impossibility. Furthermore, the extractor has a unique mechanical design which enables it to be self-cleaning.
Ayoob: A lot of people in the industry thought it was very honest and forthright of you and your company to license the double-captive recoil spring design from Larry Seecamp, instead of just copying it and fighting it out in court as Llama and Para-Ordnance did.

Moon: Yes, the double-recoil spring design was licensed from Seecamp.
Ayoob: You built your first 9mm, the K9, to take 9mm +P and +P+ ammo, and one complaint was that the springs were strong enough to make the gun's slide hard to draw back. Tell us where you went with that.
Moon: The recoil springs in the first K9s were 24 pounds. Based on the feed-back from customers who experienced difficulty in manipulation of the slide, we changed the recoil spring to the current design of 18 to 20 pounds. At this time we only offer one strength of recoil spring in the Kahr K9 models - 18 to 20 pounds.
Ayoob: Did this impact the company's policy of warranting the guns to handle +P and +P+ 9mm, and full power of .40 S&W?
Moon: According to our instruction manual we recommend only high-quality factory ammunition of the proper caliber. The Kahr 9mm can handle +P loads and in the Kahr .40 S&W we recommend regular pressure, high-quality factory ammunition.
Ayoob: Warranties?
Moon: We offer a limited lifetime warranty on all the Kahr models. As long as the gun has not been abused, we will stand behind our products.
Ayoob: What's your best seller?
Moon: Polymer pistols are the most popular.
Ayoob: What's on the horizon for Kahr Arms?
Moon: We do not discuss ongoing research and development projects publicly. We continue to pursue a number of promising projects and are committed to introducing new products on a continuing basis.
Ayoob: There is speculation on the Internet that your father or his church own your company. Your response?
Moon: I currently am the majority shareholder of Kahr and operate my business to provide high quality firearms to the public and to make a profit.
Ayoob: What's your reaction when commentators on the Net try to bring religion into it?
Moon: I am a member of the Unification Church, but I do not hold any formal positions in the church. I proudly participate and support my church and my community. This is, after all, a free country. I cherish my First Amendment rights as well as my Second Amendment rights.

http://www.kahr.com/review_ahg_1001.html
 
I currently am sitting here with my Kahr MK .40 on my hip. This gun as far as I am concernd is the best ccw gun on the market.


The gun did have a few problems,and had to go back to the factory a couple of times. Their service is a little under par but no big deal. I sent it back because the guide rod was getting badly beaten up where it rests against the frame. Kahr basicly did nothing about it so I made a heavy duty guide rod ( thicker face) . Also the mag well was cut way too much and the mag flopped around in the well. Sent it back and as expected they did nothing to repair it. The work order said problem confirmed "mag well cut to large" solution, fired 50 rnds no malfunctions so here you go. Well I fixed that problem myself as well. I welded up the well and polished it back down.


The gun runs great, never once did I have a malfunction. Even with the problems I had this is still the best gun for ccw, in my opinoin.



Nick:)
 
I like my K9 Elite better than my HK P7, which has been sold with no regrets.
It's very concealable and almost weightless in an Alessi belt and WSDT .
 
Another happy Kahr owner here. I have two PM9's. One in stainless the other in the new black finish. I think my next will be a P9 or K9. It's getting to the point where all my handguns are either Kahr's or Glock's.

DW
 
I can't believe the fact that some will not buy a Kahr because the owner of Kahr is the son of a religious leader.:banghead: I was in a gunstore once a few years ago and asked if they carried any Kahrs, the guy gave me a sour look and said he will never sell Kahrs because they are made by the Moonies.:banghead: The funny thing is, you can go in that same store today and he has the largest selection of Kahr pistols in town.:D One of the shop guys even carries a Kahr K-40. So much for his lofty high standards.:rolleyes: He will carry whatever will sell and carry whatever will work.
 
I have a K-9 with the now discontinued electroless nickel finish. Great pistol, and quite accurate for a combat piece. I use it for CCW AND for IDPA competition. Works for me!

FWIW,

emc
 
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