Kansas CCW Vetoed

[GigaBuist]

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

 

[CasualShooter]

Packing.org is reporting, from several sources, that the Governor just vetoed the bill and that there will NOT be an override attempt.

http://www.packing.org/news/article.jsp/9604/

I suggest contacting the Bill's sponser, Candy Ruff, and the Co-Sponsers in the House and see if we can get them to attempt the override so we can ferret out those who voted in favor under cover of the anticipated Governor's veto in the event that we can't pick up the additional 6 votes. :banghead: I still don't think it's too late as the veto session hasn't started yet.

Who know's, it might even succeed if they just try!

The list of sponsors are:

http://www.kslegislature.org/cgi-bin/billtrack/index.cgi

Bill by Ruff, Ballou, Brunk, Burgess, Campbell, Compton, DeCastro, Faber,
Hayzlett, Horst, Huebert, Humerickhouse, Hutchins, Huy, Johnson, E., Kauffman,
Landwehr, Light, Long-Mast, Mason, Mays, McCreary, McLeland, Merrick, Novascone,
Osborne, Ostmeyer, Pauls, Powell, Powers, Sawyer, Schwartz, Tafanelli, Vickrey,
Williams, D., Lane

and their contact information, including Email addresses, may be found here:

http://www.kslegislature.org/houseroster/index.html

Go get'em; but, Be Nice! ... Have I said that before?

 

[Robert J McElwain]

Is there an internet site that will tell me how my representative and state senator voted?

Bob

 

[bobs1066]

Bob, go to http://www.kslegislature.org/cgi-bin/journals/index.cgi
Look for "Search for a journal by keyword" Choose year 2004 & enter "2798" (number of the CCW bill) as the keyword. You will have to poke around a little bit to find the actual votes.
When I get time, I'll be posting the voting lists. Hope to do that this weekend.

 

[ksnecktieman]

She did veto it. see this thread.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77048

 

[Shanghai McCoy]

Well big surprise.BTW,the governess is from Ohio and IS a liberal.Sure do miss Oklahoma.......

 

[Zundfolge]

but the Governess said at one time that Kansas already allows citizens the right of open carry.

No, the state recognizes open carry as a priviledge which can be done away with by any county or city government (like the RINOs that run Wichita did a few years back ... open carry is illegal there ... didn't stop BTK or the Karr brothers now did it ... also didn't stop me from CCWing there for years anyway ).


Well I'm still glad I left Kansas.

 

[El Tejon]

Battle on, Kansas!

Remember in November--knock their teeth in.

 

[Hoop]

In her veto message, Sebelius said if the bill had become law, "Police officers, highway patrolmen, sheriffs, and deputies in Kansas would be forced to assume that any person they stop could have a firearm." "This would make their already dangerous job even more difficult," she said.

Great. Now all they have to assume is that any person they stop could be a criminal with a firearm. Is there really a difference?

"And, to me, the likelihood of exposing children to loaded handguns in their parents' purses, pockets and automobiles is simply unacceptable."

How much different is this to the risk of exposing children to loaded handguns in their parents' closets, dressers, and nightstands?

I also note that she supports carry for retired LEOs. But not for honorably discharged military? There are far too few retired LEOs. By virtue of being retired, most of them are likely geriatric. And, if they're anything like Wichita PD officers, I could shoot circles around them.

She's just paying (feeble) lip service with the LEO comments.

 

[Sisco]

I have yet to figure out what makes the life of a retired LEO and his family more valuable that that of mine.
I assume she's thinking all LEO's are firearms experts.

 

[Standing Wolf]

This Coloradan plans to contribute to any candidate running against that shameless anti-Second Amendment bigot the next time she runs for office.

 

[CasualShooter]

This afternoon I received the following E-mail from Rep. Bonnie Huy (R), District 87, a House Co-sponsor of HB 2798, in response to a copy, which I sent to her, of my E-mail sent, late last night, to Rep. Candy Ruff (D), District 40 (Rep. Ruff was the House Sponsor of HB 2798; but, may not have the heart to attempt an override in opposition to her Governor as the press has reported that she has no plans to do so - see my earlier post on page 1 of this thread):

You may know by now that the governor vetoed HB 2798 today. As a co-sponsor of the bill, I agree with your position that the Legislature
should attempt an override in both Houses. The public has a right to
know who supports the right of law-abiding citizens to protect
themselves and their families and who supports only the criminals who
will always carry weapons illegally. If you have not already done so,
you might want to contact Rep. Gary Hayzlett to request that he attempt
an override in the House and Sen. Phil Journey in the Senate.

Sincerely,


Rep. Bonnie Huy
District 87

Although I intend to follow Rep. Huy's suggestion and send additional emails/make additional phone calls, I have already contacted Rep. Gary Hayzlett (R), District 122, <[email protected]> and Sen. Phil Journey (R), <[email protected]> , as I sent copies of my Email to Rep. Candy Ruff (D), to Sen. Journey and all of the bill's House Sponsors.

Need LOTS of contacts! Suggest that we Keep 'em short and to the point. Oh!, and Be Nice! ... Have I said that before?

A complete listing of the Bill's Co-sponsors and links to their contact information appear in my earlier post on page 2 of this thread.

How about it folks? Let's see if we can talk these people into an attempt to override the Governor's veto. :banghead:

 

[jimpeel]

In her veto message, Sebelius said if the bill had become law, "Police officers, highway patrolmen, sheriffs, and deputies in Kansas would be forced to assume that any person they stop could have a firearm."

It's sure a good thing that they don't approach every person they stop now as if they had a firearm. I'm sure they are merely using the firearm as a hand rest as they approach.

 

[CasualShooter]

Here's the link for the House vote on HB 2798:

<http://www.kslegislature.org/cgi-bin/getfile.cgi/journal/2004/hj0401.pdf>

and here's the final vote in the House which was taken during the evening session on April 1, 2004:

EVENING SESSION
The House met pursuant to recess with Speaker pro tem Ballou in the chair.
MOTIONS TO CONCUR AND NONCONCUR
On motion of Rep. D. Williams, the House concurred in Senate amendments to HB 2798, An act enacting the personal and family protection act; providing for licensure to carry certain concealed weapons; prohibiting certain acts and prescribing penalties for vi-olations; amending K.S.A. 12-4516 and K.S.A. 2003 Supp. 21-4201 and 21-4619 and re-pealing the existing sections. (The House requested the Senate to return the bill, which was in conference).
On roll call, the vote was: Yeas 78; Nays 46; Present but not voting: 0; Absent or not voting: 1.
Yeas: Aurand, Ballou, Beggs, Bethell, Brunk, Burgess, Burroughs, Campbell, Carter,
Compton, Dahl, DeCastro, Decker, Edmonds, Faber, Feuerborn, Freeborn, Gatewood,
Goering, Goico, Gordon, Grant, Hayzlett, Henry, Holmes, Horst, Howell, Huebert, Hu-merickhouse,
Hutchins, Huy, D. Johnson, E. Johnson, Kauffman, Klein, Landwehr, Lane,
Light, M. Long, Mason, Mays, McCreary, McKinney, McLeland, Merrick, F. Miller, J.
Miller, Minor, Jim Morrison, Judy Morrison, Myers, Neufeld, Novascone, O’Neal, Osborne,
Ostmeyer, Pauls, Powell, Powers, Ruff, Sawyer, Schwab, Schwartz, B. Sharp, Showalter,
Siegfreid, Sloan, Svaty, Swenson, Tafanelli, Thimesch, Toelkes, Vickrey, Ward, Wilk, D.
Williams, J. Williams, Wilson.
Nays: Ballard, Barbieri-Lightner, Boyer, Carlin, Cox, Craft, Crow, Davis, Dillmore,
Dreher, Faust-Goudeau, Flaharty, Flora, Gilbert, Henderson, Hill, Holland, Huff,
Huntington, Jack, Kassebaum, Kirk, Krehbiel, Kuether, Larkin, Loganbill, Loyd, Neighbor,
Newton, O’Malley, Owens, Patterson, Phelps, Pottorff, Reardon, Rehorn, Reitz, Scoggins-Waite,
S. Sharp, Shriver, Shultz, Storm, Thull, Winn, Yoder, Yonally.
Present but not voting: None.
Absent or not voting: Long-Mast.

...Need more Yeas... Come November, must elect more Yeas... :banghead:

 

[CasualShooter]

Here's the link for the Senate vote on HB 2798:

<http://www.kslegislature.org/cgi-bin/getfile.cgi/journal/2004/sj0326.pdf>

and here's the final vote in the Senate which was taken on March 26, 2004:

HB 2798, An act enacting the personal and family protection act; providing for licensure to carry certain concealed weapons; prohibiting certain acts and prescribing penalties for violations; amending K.S.A. 12-4516 and K.S.A. 2003 Supp. 21-4201 and 21-4619 and re-pealing
the existing sections.
On roll call, the vote was: Yeas 28, Nays 12, Present and Passing 0, Absent or Not Voting 0.
Yeas: Barone, Brownlee, Bunten, Clark, Corbin, Donovan, Emler, Gilstrap, Haley, Hel-gerson, Hensley, Huelskamp, Jackson, Jordan, Journey, Lyon, Morris, O’Connor, Pugh, Salmans, Schmidt, Schodorf, Steineger, Taddiken, Teichman, Tyson, Umbarger, Wagle.
Nays: Adkins, Allen, Barnett, Betts, Brungardt, Buhler, Downey, Goodwin, Kerr, Lee, Oleen, Vratil.
The bill passed, as amended.
EXPLANATION OF VOTE
MR.PRESIDENT: I reluctantly vote ‘‘Aye’’ on HB 2798 although I believe it’s hypocritical to preach Peace/Non-Violence to our children and come home from work or even from church unbuckling shoulder harnesses and unloading purses...statistically, there are already a bunch of folks in my District (otherwise law-abiding citizens)...single parents; small busi-ness owners; even some seniors...who are already carrying weapons concealed in their pants leg or their waistband or their handbag or the car glove box.
Many have contacted me expressing their desire to be ‘‘legal.’’ Many others want to learn; to train; to license and to carry. With Missouri on my direct Eastern border...all of us feel uncertain and even threatened by the lack of clarity in that state’s new CCW laws and the effect on Kansas. Although, I personally believe that HB 2798 might represent more of a danger to our society than an assurance of greater public safety, today I respond with a vote to ease the anxiety of these fearful, but vocal, few.—DAVID HALEY

...Need more Yeas... Come November, must elect more Yeas... :banghead:

 

[Skirmisher]

Gov. Sebellus, "I support Kansas' Second Amendment rights. I support the Kansas Constitution, which also protects the people's right to bear arms. I believe in every American's right to own and keep firearms. As a woman who has lived and raised children in an urban area, I understand the need for personal safety and self-defense." But she vetoed the Personal Protection Act anyway. :banghead: She has her personal safety as Gov but the masses are not to be trusted with their own self-defense. She is a true socialist. Time for a change of leadership in Kansas.

 

[CasualShooter]

Time for a change of leadership in Kansas.

Skirmisher is right. But, don't waste time on the Governor now. She is not up for re-election until 2006.

For now, we need to focus on Representatives and Senators who opposed. They must run for re-election THIS NOVEMBER, 2004.

Must feret out those who would change they're votes to side with their governor so we know who our true friends are come November.

To do this, we need an attempt in BOTH houses to override the veto.

Call, write, email your representatives and press for a Veto Override Attempt in the coming Veto Override Session.

 

[cannonfa]

She's a bleeding heart lib. The NRA-ILA gave her an "F" prior to her election.

 

[Sisco]

For now, we need to focus on Representatives and Senators who opposed. They must run for re-election THIS NOVEMBER, 2004.

Mr. Ward Loyd (R) already knows how a bunch of his constituents feel.

 

[CasualShooter]

Mr. Ward Loyd (R) already knows how a bunch of his constituents feel.

Rep. Ward Loyd voted against the bill, so he sure won't ask for a vote to override the veto.

Now, we must concentrate our efforts on those Representatives and Senators who may be willing to attempt to Override the Veto in their respective houses, with a little encouragement from us.

Rep. Bonnie Huy (R), District 87, a House Co-sponsor of HB 2798, suggested:

If you have not already done so, you might want to contact Rep. Gary Hayzlett to request that he attempt an override in the House and Sen. Phil Journey in the Senate.

Rep. Gary Hayzlett (R), District 122, was also a House Co-sponsor of HB 2798. You will find his contact information here:
<http://www.kslegislature.org/houseroster/h122.html>

Senator Journey is a past president of the Kansas State Rifle Association and has worked to get CCW in Kansas for many years so I'm sure that he will ask for a Veto Override Vote in The Senate if we can get Representatives to attempt an Override in the House.

In the Senate we had one (1) more vote than needed for a veto proof majority while in the House we were six (6) votes short.

It appears that the House is the Key to this whole thing. :banghead:

 

[Sisco]

What I ment was that Mr. Loyd knows people are not happy with him because he voted against.

 

[CasualShooter]

Sisco, I meant no criticism of yours, or anyone else's efforts in this matter, so I hope my comment wasn't taken in that light.

It just seems to me that, in the weeks and months ahead, timing can play a major role regarding the outcome of events concerning CCW in Kansas.

If we all do our part, Rep. Loyd will become Mr. Loyd and likewise for other opponents who must be replaced. But, that won't happen until November and to make it happen then, we have a lot of work to do between now and then.

We must not forget the primary elections. We can be much more effective in November, if we work to insure that pro-CCW candidates win in the Primary elections. The best case would be for pro-CCW candidates to be running from both parties in November. In that regard, some may want to carefully consider which Primary Election they may want to vote in when it comes to some District races.

But first, we must clearly identify those who truly support CCW in Kansas and separate them from those who oppose but are trying to give us a false illusion of support from behind the smoke screen of the Governor's veto.

That's why we need an Attempt to Override in the comming Veto Override Sessions in both Houses. That is also why we NOW need to encourage the Sponsors of HB 2798 to ask for an Attempt to Override in the next session in their respective Houses. :banghead:

The next session in both the House and Senate begins Wednesday, April 28, 2004. The only thing that may be considered during those sessions are Bills which were vetoed; but, only those Bills, for which Attempts to Override are requested, will be considered.

Convincing the Sponsors to ask for an Attempt to Override in this next session is our job. Let's go to work! Remember, Be Nice! ... Have I said that before?

 

[Robert J McElwain]

I'm in Johnson County, and both my Senator, David Adkins, and my Rep. Sue Storm, voted against CCW. I've emailed both of them and I know they won't budge. So I'm going to work to removed their titles this fall.

Bob

 

[CasualShooter]

Great, Bob. That's the kind of thing we need - a change of political leaders in Johnson County. Witchita seems to be another area where we could improve our representation.

Are there any good strong Pro 2A Organizations in Johnson County? On the Missouri side they have the Western Missouri Shooter's Alliance (WMSA) <http://www.wmsa.net/>. Seems to me that Johnson County could make good use of a similar organization. Since moving from the Missouri side to Topeka, about 8 years ago, I've noticed that we don't seem to be as well organized in Kansas as they are in Missouri.

WMSA President, Kevin L. Jamison is a local Attorney, specializing in self defense, who practices on the Missouri side. He worked as a political activist, for more than a dozen years, to obtain CCW in Missouri. You might want to contact him & see if he can point you toward others in your area with whom you may join forces. He can be reached from the WMSA Web Site at the Link provided above. Several years ago, I believe WMSA was offering to help establish similar grass roots organizations in other areas. I don't know if anyone in Johnson County took them up on it, if so, I haven't heard. You might also contact the Kansas State Rifle Association to see if they can point you to others in your area with whom you may connect to work on this matter.

We need more like you who are getting fed up with the current situation and are willing to work to do something about it.

... my $.02 worth...