Kansas Veto override attempt!

[bobs1066]

Just got this email from Candy Ruff, sponsor of the CCW bill in Kansas that was vetoed by our governor.

Friends of Right-to-Carry:

Plans call for an override of the Governor's veto on HB 2798 to take
place Thursday, April 29th. Although the legislation did not reach the
84 votes needed to override, several supporters wanted at least to show
our support. You can count on me to vote to override the veto because
this issue is very important to all law-abiding Kansans.

Please contact your House members to emphasize your continuing support
of HB 2798 because this is our last opportunity this Session to make a
statement in support of Right-to-Carry. Should we still fall short of
the 84 votes, I intend to return next year and fight for this
legislation once again. I truly believe there are some issues worth
fighting for and Right-to-Carry is that issue for me. You may count on
me to press for passage as long as it take. Of course, I must be
re-elected in the meantime so wish me luck.

And please keep all of the lawmakers who support HB 2798 in your
thoughts as we vote tomorrow.

L. Candy Ruff

 

[GigaBuist]

LIght them phones up guys... this'll let you know who's actually for the bill.

Who knows, maybe it'll actually go through?

 

[Zundfolge]

Yep ... now's the only chance you'll get for several years Kansans!!

LIGHT UP THOSE PHONES!

(this thread should be a floater)

 

[Standing Wolf]

Fight, Kansans, fight!

 

[Mute]

Go Kansas! Good luck.

 

[HBK]

Does the override have a chance? Good luck Kansas!

 

[Moparmike]

Bump.

 

[bobs1066]

Do we have a chance this go around? Probably not, but this will identify for sure the reps that will not support CCW. Then, off with their heads!

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

Floated for the remainder of the day. Today is the final day for Kansans to let their legislators know how they feel on this issue.

 

[sturmruger]

I hope KS has a chance on this one. It has been a long fight, and they have mad huge progress. I just hope they don't loosed by one vote like we did here in WI.

 

[GigaBuist]

I gotta run, else I'd do it myself (and I'm from MI!) ... but it would maybe help if somebody from KS would post the phone #'s of the reps in as many areas as they can dig up. Would make it easier on the KS people here to make that quick call.

 

[client32]

Good luck guys. I hope your reps are listening.

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

Using this link:
http://www.kslegislature.org/cgi-bin/house/index.cgi

You can find out which Kansas state Representative serves for your district and get the appropriate contact info.

 

[Ezekiel]

State of Kansas

I worked for the Kansas Department of Corrections for 5 years until, recently, determining that KDOC/Kansas and I do not get along. I, then, moved just across the state line into Missouri. Why? The Legislature of Kansas reeks of communism: they denounce a citizen's ability to know what is best for them. (Try getting a budget passed!) Who knows if Missouri is better, although -- on this particular issue -- they're "much improved".

The veto will not be overridden. Kansans require a new governor.

 

[clipse]

So, any update? What time are they supposed to vote for the veto override?


clipse

 

[Standing Wolf]

Do we have a chance this go around?

The right thing to do is the right thing to do whether the odds are good, bad, or otherwise.

 

[CasualShooter]

Rats!!! :banghead:

This just in from the Kansas Legislature's Web Site!

http://www.kslegislature.org/cgi-bin/billtrack/index.cgi

Full history of bill 2798

Bill by Ruff, Ballou, Brunk, Burgess, Campbell, Compton, DeCastro, Faber,
Hayzlett, Horst, Huebert, Humerickhouse, Hutchins, Huy, Johnson, E., Kauffman,
Landwehr, Light, Long-Mast, Mason, Mays, McCreary, McLeland, Merrick, Novascone,
Osborne, Ostmeyer, Pauls, Powell, Powers, Sawyer, Schwartz, Tafanelli, Vickrey,
Williams, D., Lane
Personal and family protection act; licensing to carry concealed firearms.
Effective date: 07/01/2004.
02/10/2004 H Introduced -HJ 1044
02/11/2004 H Referred to Federal and State Affairs -HJ 1047
02/24/2004 H CR: Be passed as am. by Federal and State Affairs -HJ 1114
03/03/2004 H COW: CR be adptd; be further am.; be passed as am. -HJ 1176;
Engrossed -HJ 1184
03/04/2004 H FA: Passed as am.; Yeas 78 Nays 45 -HJ 1181
03/04/2004 S Received and introduced -SJ 1300
03/05/2004 S Referred to Federal and State Affairs -SJ 1305
03/25/2004 S CR: Be passed as am. by Federal and State Affairs -SJ 1556
03/26/2004 S COW: CR be adptd; be further am.; be passed as am. -SJ 1629; EFA:
Passed as am.; Yeas 28 Nays 12 -SJ 1641
03/26/2004 H Nonconcurred; CC requested; apptd Mason, D.Williams, Rehorn
-HJ 1605
03/26/2004 S Acceded; apptd Brungardt, Lyon, Gilstrap -SJ 1647
04/01/2004 H Concurred; Yeas 78 Nays 46 -HJ 1799; Requested senate to return
04/05/2004 H Reengrossed -HJ 1932
04/08/2004 H Enrolled and presented to gov. -HJ 1932
04/16/2004 Vetoed by gov.; returned to house -HJ 1891
04/29/2004 H Motion to override veto failed; bill did not pass; Yeas 77 Nays 47

Well, at least, come November, we will know who to throw out of office and who to keep.

We need to post how they voted, as soon as the list is available, and go to work on the elections comming this fall. And, don't forget about the Primary Elections, some of those could be the key to our success next year.

 

[Sisco]

I got the same message from Ms. Ruff yesterday, wish it had come sooner but it wouldn't have made any difference.
Like CasualShooter said, we know who needs to be replaced now, one of which is my Republican rep.

 

[Shanghai McCoy]

Well I guess that I'm lucky since both of my guys are/were on our side.What gets me was listening to comments called in to the afternoon WIBW radio show after the governess vetoed the bill.Seems like more than a few "hunter/gunowners" in the less than free state don't think people should have the choice/right to carry for personal protection.Add that attitude to the limo-liberals and rinos in the cities and it would seem that it will be a lost cause here.We fought long and hard for it in OK and STILL had to wait till Keating got elected to get it signed.Sorry for the rant but I'm experiancing deja vu again and it gets tiresome.

 

[CasualShooter]

Well, my Rep was with us but my Republican Senator was against. But he (Sen Bill Bunten) says he won't run for re-election so hopefully we can put someone in at that seat that will be in favor of CCW.

We have our work cut out for us and we really need to be better organized. Not really sure how to bring that about; but, we need to replace the RINOs that voted against us with some more Conservative Republican types that will fight for this issue. And that goes Double for the Democrats that voted against.

I think the key may lie in the Primary Elections in many cases. Need to be sure that Republican Candidates are from the Conservative Wing of the Party where ever this is possible. It was the "Moderates" (AKA Liberals) within the Party that killed it for us when Bill Graves was Governor and they are still killing it now.

It would be easy to get discouraged; But, I am determined to continue this fight 'till we WIN! We only lost this by 7 votes in the House. If we can replace those Reps with some REAL REPUBLICANS we could pass this and override a veto next year.

I for one, am determined to continue. Damn the torpedoes.....

 

[Shanghai McCoy]

Casualshooter,I agree on the better organized part.I joined KSRA this year but hav'nt heard a word on this from them.Do they not care about this issue?Perhaps my 25$ was wasted on them.....I would'nt have known about that rally if it had'nt been for The High Road.What are the shooting clubs doing for CCW in this state?There just seems to be little interest in the general shooting fraternity and that is counter productive.Sorry but this has gotten me a bit grumpier lately and I just wanted to get it off my chest.

 

[Monkeyleg]

Shanghai McCoy, you can certainly view it as a defeat. Or you can look for opportunities.

We lost here in Wisconsin largely for the same reasons: an anti-gun governor; supposedly pro-gun Democrats who traded their governor over their constituents; and the lack of support by hunters.

The last item is the one that I feel we need to address here in WI, and perhaps Kansans need to as well. Without widespread support from hunters, nothing passes here.

So, I proposed to the senate author of the bill that his next version offer the hunters a great big carrot. One idea that he liked was that any person with a valid hunting permit, engaged in the activity of hunting, and in an area designated for hunting, would not be required to have a concealed carry permit to have a weapon "concealed."

In other words, you're out during duck, grouse, deer or whatever other season, it starts raining, you want to protect your pistol or even your rifle from the elements, you just tuck it under your coat. No permit required, no arrest. That would apply to knives as well.

Here in Wisconsin, we have to make double-sure that any provisions of next year's bill don't involve appropriations at the state level; otherwise the governor can use his line-item veto pen. But get something in the bill that will win the support of hunters in a big way.

It's a damned shame that we can't get those guys on our sides when we've helped them so often in the past.

 

[CasualShooter]

One idea that he liked was that any person with a valid hunting permit, engaged in the activity of hunting, and in an area designated for hunting, would not be required to have a concealed carry permit to have a weapon "concealed."

Monkeyleg, we already have something similar to that in Kansas Law. There is an exception to the prohibition in the State Statutes against concealed weapons for hunters and fishermen while hunting or fishing. Only thing is, we don't have pre-emption so if your fishin' in the City Pond, you better know what the local ordinances say.

Pre-emption by the State is a key provision of any CCW Statute for Kansas. Without pre-emption all the local jurisdicitions could nullify any CCW Statute. That's the way it is now with open carry. Antis at the State Level like to say that open carry is allowed and thus CCW is not needed. Trouble is that open carry has been prohibitted by most cities, towns and some counties so the law, in effect, changes almost every time you cross a political boundary. :banghead:

 

[CasualShooter]

Shanghai McCoy,
I joined KSRA this year also. I don't think that I wasted my money. KSRA did have the CCW Bill's Sponsor, Candy Ruff, at their annual meeting this year to speak in favor of her CCW Bill and they also had Wayne LaPiere, of NRA, there to do the same. Although I would like to see them take a more active role in this, they and the Kansas Second Amendment Society (active in the Wichita Area) are about the only organizations I am aware of in Kansas that have actively supported CCW, although there may be some active local gun clubs that I am not aware of.

Senator Phil Journey is our greatest ally in the Senate. He is an attorney who has been actively working for CCW in Kansas for a number of years. He was president of KSRA before he was appointed to fill a vacated Senate Seat in December of last year. He must run and win in both the primary and the general elections this fall to keep that Senate Seat and we need to help him do it.

Missouri fought this same battle for about 12 years before they finally succeeded last year. Over those years, several organizations were formed in Kansas City, St. Louis and other areas to actively support CCW in Missouri, and an umbrella organization was formed to coordinate their efforts. Some serious money was spent, as well. They organized annual rallys at the State Capital to support CCW and chartered busses to provide transportation from Kansas City, St. Louis, Springfield and other areas. Participants using the busses paid a fee to reimburse for the Charter Fees. St. Louis area novelist, John Ross, author of Unintended Consequences, played a key role in starting an organization in the St. Louis area and he also put up several thousand dollars to hire a lobbyist.

Kevin Jamison, a Kansas City area attorney specializing in self defense, played a key role, in the Kansas City Area, in forming the Western Missouri Shooters Aliance (WMSA), of which he is President; and, he actively worked to get CCW in Missouri for more than 12 years. In the past, he has offered to help others start similar organizations. Perhaps that could be part of the answer. We could certainly use a good organization to drum up support in the Johnson County Area and I know that Bruce Hodgden, of Hodgden Powder, has been supportive of CCW efforts in the past in Johnson County.

Gee, I didn't realize that this was getting so long. Sorry, it was not my intention to dominate this thread.

Perhaps we could get our friends in Missouri to help us get better organized. If you agree, drop me a PM. If there is enough interest, I'll persue it and see what can be done.