Keep shooting high and left...thoughts?

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To be brief: I tend to shoot high and left from roughly 15 to 20 yards (well, at least initially until I make adjustments) with my 590 8+1 (bead front sight) using 00 Buck and/or slugs. Now, based on what Ive experienced, the LOP/fit seems to be OK, give or take 1/4" or so. So, Im thinking I am simply anticipating recoil and thus, screwing up my trigger pull and/or cheek weld. After all, I do realize even shotguns do not aim themselves, so to speak. Thoughts?
 
Have you tried shooting from a sand-bag rest? Or have someone else try it? Or tried different ammunition? If it isn't the gun - sites, barrel not bored quite right, etc. and it isn't the ammo, then you might be pulling off the gun in anticipation
 
The stock needs to be fitted to you most likely. (LOP is not the only part of fitting a shotgun.)

Give this a try...Shoulder the empty gun as if you were going to fire. Only this time keep your eyes closed. When the gun is shouldered as normal, open your eyes and see what your sight picture looks like.

My guess is that you're looking down on the barrel, causing it to shoot high. (You shouldn't see any of the barrel, just the top of the reciever and the bead.) You probably also have the bead out of center to the left, causing it to shoot left.

I don't know about fitting synthetic stocks. Is it even possible? My Franchi (syn. stock) came with a pack of shims, as does Benelli and Beretta. The shims are angled different directions. So that when installed between the buttstock and reciever, it moves the stock around to properly fit the shooter.

On a shotgun, your eye is this rear sight. The only way to adjust the POI, is to adjust where the rear sight (your eye) lines up behind the gun.

Your stock would need to more drop at the heel and be cast away (assuming right hand) from your body (go down and to the right.) Wood stocks can be fitted by someone that knows how. All they need is to be steamed to be able to bend them. Synthetics I don't know about.

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As stated the gun may not be adjusted to you. Personally I believe you already know what the problem is. Load that puppy up with some light field loads and see if that fixes your problem. If so there is no doubt that you are anticipating recoil. I would also suggest that you might not have the gun fully locked in to firing position if you can pull the gun when you pull the trigger. Something that people will always tell you when you are firing a match with a Garand is to have that gun locked in tight because you will be firing hundreds of rounds. Shotguns are pretty much the same principle, lock them in or they will beat you to death when dealing with solid loads.
 
You shouldn't see any of the barrel, just the top of the reciever and the bead.) You probably also have the bead out of center to the left, causing it to shoot left.

I will be sure to account for this next time I practice "hold/mount."

Of course, I still believe that Im also anticipating recoil and thus, demonsrating sloppy, last second form. Once I "slow things down" and pay attention to what Im doing, my shots move much, much closer to center/POA...if not dead-on. Essentially, I am still making too many assumptions regarding the shotgun and simply not taking the necessary time to "aim" properly.

As a side note: Im using a Meprolight tritium front bead only and, given the heavy walled barrel Im currently using on my 590, it seems to have naturally set in at just about dead center. Now, with the original heat shield barrel (thin walled), the Meprolight sight seemed to require a bit more "positioning" in terms of yaw.

Its always amazed me how even the slightest variance in hold, trigger technique, form, etc., is capable of throwing shots off by such a large margin, even when concerning shotguns (handguns, of course, being far less forgiving). It just goes to show that shotguns do indeed require "aiming" just like any other weapon. Now, I knew this beforehand, but the more I fire shotguns (and handguns for that matter) the more prevalent this fact becomes. Hence, I wonder about these individuals who go out, buy a weapon for HD use and then never bother practicing and yet, insist that they are prepared for any type of violent encounter. Oh well, that is for another discussion.
 
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U nless you're going to use this gun at static targets, most shotguns are used for dynamic ones and require pointing, not aiming. Sounds like minor semantics, but if you are trying to rifle aim your shotgun for moving targets, that could an additional factor.......
 
Last week was the first time I ever patterned a shotty. {field gun} I seem to always shoot high. I can't get my face down far enough on the stock without beating my face to death. I just ajusted my POA and kept going. I never shoot static targets anyway.
I don't think LOP has much to to with your problem.
 
I have patterned shotguns in the past and didn't realize, after a few shells, that I was flinching until I pulled the trigger on an empty chamber.
Dang near smacked the guy beside me I flinched so hard !
It's amazing how a few rounds of buckshot can rattle your nerves and affect how you shoot!
 
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