Keeping it clean

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Having been a shooter, reloader, and worked in the retail gun business I have heard many folks say they never or rarely clean their firearms. I'm posting this little tid bit about that topic on this forum rather than the rifle forum, because many of us carry for self defense. A while back I happened to be in the close proximity to a shooting and was questioned briefly by LE because I was obviously carrying on my hip when I opened my front door. The first thing the officer who made contact with me did was relieve me of my firearm. Although I wasn't too happy about him grabbing it off my hip before I even had my front door completely open, what choice did I have. Anyway, once he had it in hios hand he unloaded it and inspected it to see if it had been fired. I think since he had found someone wearing in the house next door to the shooting, he thought he had found the suspect as well. I say this because he said this gun has ben cleaned recently. I returned with no, do you smell any solvent? He gave it a sniff and then realized it had not been recently cleaned or fired and handed it back to me.
Now my point here is pretty obvious I think and one that I've instilled in my family that wears all the time, keep it cleaned! I always clean my guns right after shooting them and not just because it can help to eliminate me as a suspect, but also because a dirty gun can do bad things when you touch one off. A dirty gun that has not been cleaned in like forever can come appart unpredictably. A forcing cone with build up is a common culprit to catastrophic failure.
S&W said they took a K frame and put 250,000 rounds, yes 250,000, of 125 gr. full magnum rounds through it because of the wide spread hype about the forcing cone fracturing after being subjected to a regular diet of those small high pressure, high velocity rounds. They cleaned it after each 100 rounds and couldn't get it to fail at all. In fact, they stated that the revolver was just as tight as before the test. In their continued research they discovered that the most likely factor that contributed to the forcing cone failure's that were being encountered, was related to not cleaning the guns, and especially if non jacketed ammunition was put into the mix. Even just a few rounds of non jacketed will leave enough lead transfer on the forcing cone to quickly damage it.
I load and shoot 125 gr. jacketed through my K frame's almost exclusively. These are H110/296 powder charges. After thousands of these being put through my guns I have yet to find any evidense what so ever of impending damage.
 
Interesting observations. What's your take on the fact that the early Magnum loads were all lead?
 
Interesting possibility. I don't rigorously clean my guns after each shooting as it seems unnecessary based on my experiences, but that's been discussed heavily on this forum many times before so probably doesn't need another go-round.

But the issue of your gun being clean or dirty with regards to a criminal investigation seems a bit far-fetched. It appears that in your situation having it clean and oil-free may have gotten you out of a few moments' hassle, but I have to believe that you were at no risk of being arrested and tried for murder, even had your gun been fired thousands of rounds just hours before.

The circumstances under which an actual arrest and even a trial would hinge on whether or not your gun was dirty would seem vanishingly unlikely. Usually some version of "means, motive, and opportunity" would be required to even accuse you of a crime.

[I'm reminded of the universal end scene of most of the old Lone Ranger episodes:
"...two fired cartridges ... the smell of burned powder ... Tanto, this is the man that shot Ol' Roy! Sheriff, hang this man!"
"Thankeee kindly stranger! Boys, string him up! Now who was that masked man?
" :D]

But, I'll bet the experience will teach you to be a bit more careful about how, and for whom you open the door!
 
Good notes about the forcing cone issue on the J-frame .357.

Also, you make a good case for always keeping one's carry gun clean.

But what about range guns? Certainly, it doesn't hurt. But it could be a lot more effort to clean a gun every time that runs just as well as if it were cleaned every 5th time out.

Just yesterday, I cam back from the range. I'd shot my S&W 625 (full size, 5" .45 ACP revolver) and my Marlin 60. (22 auto rifle) I had time to clean only one of them before my wife came home and wanted dinnner. (don't laugh; she works 70+ hours per week, and I only work 40) The 625 is not my home defense gun, and this was the second shooting session after which it had not been cleaned. But the Marlin was bought used and never cleaned while in my care. For all I know, it had NEVER been cleaned. So I cleaned the Marlin and the Smith is sitting in their dirty.

When I take my home defense gun out, I clean it right away, before loading the defense ammo in it and putting it back into standby position.

One has to prioritize one's time.
 
I wash my dishes after every meal--even if the dog licks 'em clean or not-lol. At least run an oily swab through the bore. I usually spray my auto loaders lightly prior to firing and then afterwards if not able to clean right away. No need to allow rust any chance to grow.
 
I clean every firearm I own on a regular monthly basis, fired or not. I at least wipe them all down and store them again. I also wipe down my bladed implements as well.

I have only 2 stainless steel firearms, and the rest are blued, and in the sub-boreal rain forest I live in, it is a must, no matter how dry the storage area.

I have invested a considerable amount of money in what I own, and I cannot abide the idea of them getting even a speck of rust on them.
 
I typically don't worry about the bore every time I go shooting, but I do give the exterior a wipedown every time.

Smokeless powder and lead/copper fouling isn't going to start rusting immediately. Fingerprints, on the other hand, can get out of control quick.
 
I shoot every nearly every week or weekend. There's a good chance that my guns will either smell like solvents and fresh oil or be dirty from obviously having been fired. The only way to avoid this is to just not shoot them, or carry a gun that I never shoot so I can keep it pristine. None of those are acceptable options.

Guess I'm just living life on the ragged edge. :neener:

But the issue of your gun being clean or dirty with regards to a criminal investigation seems a bit far-fetched. It appears that in your situation having it clean and oil-free may have gotten you out of a few moments' hassle, but I have to believe that you were at no risk of being arrested and tried for murder, even had your gun been fired thousands of rounds just hours before.

I tend to agree with Sam on this subject. I don't think it would have mattered if your gun was filthy or spotless.
 
Hummmm....
Having been an active PPC shooter, and averaged 500-600 rounds a week thru my bull guns, all with lead loads... also have worked as a gunsmith, and worked the range.. I don't think I have ever seen a forcing cone fail... and I cleaned my match guns every six months whether they needed it or not... But the timing on them is impeccable, the cranes are detented and staked... they didn't get much build-up, now the face of the cylinder, a little different story... but when they started to drag, clean em.. Pop the Cylinder retention screw, slip the crane out, pop the cylinder off, un-thread the extractor rod, remove spring and extractor star/claw place whole mess in a vibrator jewelry cleaner with Hoppies #9 and a few hours later wipe it down, mop it out, set the face of the cylinder down in a shallow merc bath for 3-5 mins, blow it off re-assemble and shoot.. repeat as needed..

My distinguished guns, did occasionally see some jacketed ammo, and before I would do that, they had a session with my Lewis Lead Remover, and or a Mercury Bath... (not environmentally PC these days, but mercury will amalgamate (dissolve) lead like nobody's business... ) talk about de-leading a bore!

Now my carry stuff and duty weapons, they get broken down for a good dusting and lube fairly often, and especially soon after exposure to the elements, like a rainstorm, boat ride, or noticing "Dust Bunnies" in the holster or on the gun..
 
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