Kids and Hearing Protection: Morons at the range AGAIN!

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I try to monitor headphone levels with my kids. All of this crap is bad for your ears. Still, gunfire will do a lot more damage in a lot less time. I usually make my kids wear muffs and plugs, but sometimes they have trouble getting the plugs into their small ears. Muffs along are the bare minimum.
 
Longrifleman was wondering
>What seems to be the best kid size muffs
> available? I've been using adult size for my
> grandkids but I'm not happy with the fit. The
> muffs are about as big as my grandaughter's head.

That's a good question. Somebody probably makes kid sized earmuffs, but I don't know who. I have an autistic son that wears muffs almost all the time, and when he was little they made his head look like a football.
Still, even BIG muffs are easier to use on kids, especially somebody else's, than trying to effectively insert foamies.
Marty
 
Any other musicians on this site? Or am i the only one?

Me too, though doing more acoustic these days.

I've worked in sports arenas and artillery batteries, so I'm pretty sold on the whole earplug concept.

If you want really chilling, you should see how many artillerymen don't wear earplugs...

-MV
 
1 A lot of musicians do wear earplugs including my drummer. I dont personally, but i take other percautions such as not having moniters or amps blasting at me.

2. On stage is usually much quieter than out front. The house PA system amplifies the already amplified sound for the audience


A musician who does not want his monitor turned up as loud as the house is a rare and wonderful thing. I have mixed sound all to often for groups that the on stage level was higher then the house, of course most of them were def as well, go figure.

Gun shots will affect hearing far faster than music even through earphones. Of course some music can effect little minds far worse then a gun shot will effect hearing.
 
I am constantly amazed at how many people don't make their kids aware of and even expose them to the dangers life presents. Most disturbing to me is the kids playing or riding bicycles, tricycles, skateboards, etc on residential streets and totally oblivious to traffic. Then there's the joggers pushing carts containing infants going right down the middle of the road. They may be legally in the right but if a drunk or young driver with his foot in it comes along they are still dead. My dad was constantly on me about situations were you may only get one mistake...on the street, in the water, handling a gun, around electricity.

That said, ear and eye protection is something most of us had to be told about. I learned about guns in the 50's and 60's and nobody wore eye and ear protection when shooting. It was painfully loud but if you could handle it what the heck. My first use of ear protection was when I took a job grinding welds nine hours a day in my late teens. It hurt my ears so I wadded up some kleenex and stuffed them into my ears. I was amazed how much more pleasant the day became. They didn't tell you about such things back then.

Maybe those folks were just ignorant. Human nature is to think that if it doesn't hurt too bad we aren't being damaged.
 
People are even worse about eyes than ears. I'll admit that I'm nowhere near as picky about eyes as I am about ears, but I'm learning fast.

Just today I dropped by the campus range to chat, and was advising some noobs. I wasn't wearing glasses at first, but felt hypocritical, so went back and got a pair of safety-glasses. About ten minutes later, a newbie pulled high and shot the target carrier, and I took several tiny pieces of lead splashback to the face.

I do believe I'll be wearing glasses quite faithfully in the future.

-MV
 
I can understand not wearing eye protection when shooting a revolver, but I can't count the number of times I've gotten smacked in the face with ejected shell casings when shooting semi-autos. Given the fact that most people at the range are shooting guns that throw brass, eye protection seems like a bit of an IQ test. Of course, the moron out there with his kids didn't have eye protection for anyone either. Genious.
 
When I was a little kid I shot guns, ran the D6 and cut wood all day.
ALL with no ear protection.

I do not hear very well.

I wear and carry plugs everywhere, NOW
 
They make plugs and muffs for kids!

Products are available for children from 3M and the EAR folks as well as other manufacturers. There are muffs especially marketed for kids and there are ear plugs that come in smaller sizes. You just won't find them at Home Depot or the average gun shop (which shouldn't come as any shock).
 

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I always "double-up" i.e. plugs & muffs, and I have a small sackful of the 'foamies' to pass out ot anyone that didn't bring any.

Yup, me too.

Sad thing is, one time a guy with his 6 kids....all dirty as "Pigpen" showed up and dad started in on a Mosin M44 with the kids sitting right behind him, no ears or eyes on anyone. I walked over and offered a big handful of ear plugs to all the kids, he gets all offended and says "They don't need them, this thing isn't that loud". No, nitwit, not to you...you're probably deaf from a lifetime of beating your eardrums to death. Ugh.

And he's bred 7 more times than me. Humanity is doomed.
 
I can understand not wearing eye protection when shooting a revolver

Whoa, revos are _worse_ than autos. Ever had a grungy or out-of-time revo spit on you? When the .22 revos at the range get really foul, they "spit" carbon/lead/lube out the sides and back at the shooter and those behind her. That would be really nasty in the eyes.


There are muffs especially marketed for kids and there are ear plugs that come in smaller sizes. You just won't find them at Home Depot or the average gun shop (which shouldn't come as any shock).

Lessee, thinking back to 1990s alt-rock: "It's no surprise to me/ I am my own worst enemy"

-MV
 
A musician who does not want his monitor turned up as loud as the house is a rare and wonderful thing. I have mixed sound all to often for groups that the on stage level was higher then the house, of course most of them were def as well, go figure.

Gun shots will affect hearing far faster than music even through earphones. Of course some music can effect little minds far worse then a gun shot will effect hearing.

I know the feeling. We played with another band and used our small club system. The club holds just over 200 by fire code and is very small. Our PA is 800 watts which is fine for gigs such as this one. The bassist of the group we were playing with carts a 800? watt Carvin full stack on stage and just cranks it. His upper cab is literally 4 feet away from him pointed at his head. His complaint at the end of the night? "It sounded good man but i couldnt hear much out of the moniter":rolleyes: :scrutiny:

Usually I dont use moniters unless im singing(backup in my case). If i do have a moniter i just have vocals going thru it.I play in a trio and as long as im close enough to the drums to hear them well(usually not a problem), can feel the bass im good. I just put my combo on the ground pointed at my legs and turn it up enough to hear myself. The result is a relatively low stage volume.
 
Me too, though doing more acoustic these days.

I've worked in sports arenas and artillery batteries, so I'm pretty sold on the whole earplug concept.

If you want really chilling, you should see how many artillerymen don't wear earplugs...

-MV

Ah ha! i knew i wasnt the only one. Personally like i said i dont wear earplugs, but then i just make sure im not so loud that it hurts. I dont really like the sound i hear when i put in plugs and play, the plugs kill the highend and some of the lowend leaving lots of midrange. My personal feeling is a musician wearing earplugs is like an artist wearing a blindfold, but it works well for others.

My hearing is pretty good, i can hear better than most people i know. Its suprising really because i had a lot of ear infections as a kid which has resulted in my ears ringing all the time since i was about 8. I still wear muffs when i shoot.

As for artillerymen not wearing plugs:what: thats just.......stupid really.
 
As for artillerymen not wearing plugs thats just.......stupid really.

The ones that don't argue that they can't hear the firing commands clearly with earplugs in.

The counter-argument is that you're not hearing firing commands clearly when you're half-deaf either.


I tended to categorize them in the "I don't wear a seatbelt because I might be trapped in a car if it crashes" crowd. 10% of the time you're right, but 90% of the time you're screwed.

-MV
 
The ones that don't argue that they can't hear the firing commands clearly with earplugs in.

The counter-argument is that you're not hearing firing commands clearly when you're half-deaf either.


I tended to categorize them in the "I don't wear a seatbelt because I might be trapped in a car if it crashes" crowd. 10% of the time you're right, but 90% of the time you're screwed.

-MV

Thats funny because in my experience the thing that come thru best with earplugs in is midrange. Midrange=human voice

Ive met the seatbelt people before. :rolleyes:
 
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