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Good for Kimber.
Their dandy K6 is a good wheelgun.
Their dandy K6 is a good wheelgun.
Kimber relocating
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Any more so that the large number of anti-gun countries that supply us with arms and/or ammo?
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I’ve got twenty years in as a machinist both manual and cnc. I have drafting degree and I’m also a certified welder. Mostly burning mig And stick. So I’m sure I can fit somewhere.
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Look to be moving
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https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2018/01/20/kimber-leave-new-york-alabama-gun-laws/ Sorry for not posting this in the original link.
If you consider the profound history of arms making in Conn. it is not ironic at all:
https://www.google.com/amp/www.ctpo...ticut-has-deep-ties-to-gun-makers-4142268.php
Rem. already in Mayfield Ky. too making good stuff. What are they going to make in Montgomery?
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I thought Remington was shutting down , parking lot has been empty at Rem.plant here in Huntsville
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Moving a entire production facility is no small easy task. In addition to moving the physical machinery and supplies they have to hire and train a new workforce some of which are skilled positions. Low production will be usual until the workers are properly trained. Quality control is a biggest issue. Releasing guns that have problems will hurt their reputation and demand in a hurry.
Just ask BerettaUSA about their experiences with their move.
Just ask BerettaUSA about their experiences with their move.
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It’s going to take one heck of an incentive bonus to get people used to the NYC area to make a move like that.
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<cheapshot> Sorry, are we talking about before or after the move? </cheapshot>
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You mean like an immediate 10-20% increase in take home pay, taxes at 50% of what they were paying? Lower costs of living including insurances, food and gas? I grew up in NYC many years ago; it was expensive even then
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Regardless of economic benefits, not everyone will want to make the move from a big mid-Atlantic city to a much different way of life. Not saying one is better than the other, just very different. There's also the issue of leaving behind family and friends.
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Remington was founded here in Upstate NY in 1816 and has recently opened up a new manufacturing facility in Alabama and is continuing to lay off people at their Illion NY plant. It is not only a high tax (anti-business, no matter what their ad campaigns say) state, as well as an anti-gun state (see SAFE act).
It's not at all hard if the employee skill set is missing from the low wage location. Income taxes paid by workers. Whether a worker is paid $30 or $20 an hour. These are not considerations that top the list for a business requiring skilled workers.
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History and recent events proves this statement does not apply with regards to NY state.
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Bearing arms must be slipping down the rabbit hole of media integrity. The press release from Kimber says they are expanding into Alabama, not moving entirely. Kimber also announced on Facebook they are not closing the NY plant.
http://www.kimberamerica.com/press/Kimber-Announces-Manufacturing-Expansion-in-Alabama
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I have STRONG contacts within Busche Machining (owner and several plant managers) and Michelin (VP of OPs North America), so if you ever find yourself needing help opening a door I'll be offended if you don't contact me....lol.
If things work out with this new Kimber plant, I will definitely PM you. Extra cool points if you ever ran an old Browning screw machine.
What CNCs did you run? Okuma? Hwacheon? Hessap? I ask more out of curiosity as one thing that always helped "pump" my resume to the CNC crowd was I am like one of maybe 50 nationwide actually taught people who can work as a tech on those German Hessaps. They can be finicky, but damn those machines can carve through some raw parts and maintain TIGHT tolerances.
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I was making that comment off of memory from an earlier press release that was tied to Remington's deal based on their Huntsville, AL facility and then later a Montgomery, AL facility.....but that deal may have fallen through now it seems. Hard to find any current details (or maybe it's just my Google Fu is weak) on current status.
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You're correct to some degree.
There is an ebb and flow in the manufacturing world you can almost set your watch to.
Companies will move facilities to states who give them incentives (tax....state/county shoulders some of the initial moving costs....whatever) and they'll run there until either their deal expires or new tax or property laws making their production costs higher than their PnLs are "capped" at. So they'll move those plants to the south where lower wages can be paid due to lower cost of living. After a while, the "higher cost" states will offer new deals to bring back those facilities. Rinse, recycle, repeat.
One of the things Alabama has done to attract a lot of manufacturing jobs is structure "unique" labor union laws. Since several states will not allow non-Union products to be shipped in and sold inside their borders, the state of Alabama (and I'm sure other southern states in the SE) has certain unions....but they resemble nothing like what people expect a labor union to look like.
I was a Shift Superintendent for Cooper Electric (later became Eaton when they bought Cooper out) and they had a "union". I had line employees doing basic assembly with an average rate of $9 per hour who I could work as long as I deemed necessary and could move them within my three departments as I deemed necessary, which is usually a major no-no for unionized work. The only "benefit" they thought they had was 8 personal days a year, which was really not a benefit at all. It wasn't paid. It merely meant they could call into work up until 15 minutes after start of shift and declare a personal day, so they weren't charged as a no call, no show. I had seen a lot of non-union shops allow employees to accrue up to two weeks paid vaca time after 12 months employed, but Cooper's union rep has negotiated instead 8 personal days.
It was a joke, and done only for that sticker to put on product to say manufactured by union labor. It was mainly to allow for Cooper to move light fixture products into NY and CA.
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I’ve run Mori Seiki, Kitamura, Daewoo, Haas, Fadal, Kia, Nakamura Tome, Maatsura and Bridge Ports just to name a few. Just about all my running was done via program at the control. I can g-code my butt off. I’ve run horizontal and vertical mills. Same with lathes. My favorite stunt is self resolving Home made macros to do 3D work. I have a lot of time making chips with high end ingersoll cutters in every kind of material from 1018 to inconel. I’ve done everything from hydraulic components to oil field valves to rebuilding construction equipment. Been a long ride for sure.
Siting a company in a particular state is less "financial analysis" and more "We grew so much we had to find a bigger plant in town." CT having an ancient background in water mills and population isn't as much an influence now. When you grow in a locality, hire people to move there, put down roots, and then see it's not all roses after the rest of the state determines you are anathema to their new political leanings, it's still hard to move.
You literally have to move your family, too. Not many people like to make those changes. Wives and children at their comfortable school of choice means leaving well enough alone. No, you finally decide to move when you see your neighborhoods declining and you would do it anyway. So, the subject is broached and the company core searches where it would like to emigrate.
Most corporations when large enough have an official office in Delaware where they keep a two person office for all the legalities. Moving to another state is more "where do we want to live and is the work force there skilled enough?"
If they had that skilled a financial analysis then wouldn't Remington have done a lot better? Sad to say, it's not always about someone who could prepare it, or that they would even be tasked to do it. Most companies diminish their accounting staft to the minimum necessary and have IT guys massaging the programs to conform to whatever new laws are appropriate, along with guidance from their auditors. Forensic financial analysis isn't done all that much - you can bet the founders of the company aren't doing it, they were mechanical entrepreneurs.
On the other hand there are stories of light manufacturing plants who could move at the drop of a hat - one typewriter plant would stay as long as the climate was productive but if they caught wind of a union organizer sneaking onto the payroll they could be in another state within weeks. They had their exfiltration process down pat. People would come to work on Monday morning to an empty plant with a final paycheck being handed out.
It was the kind of thing where the core group understood it was temporary from the git go - like being in the military and rotating thru three year "internments" at various facilities. (Mil brat here, yeah, it was kinda like that.)
Point being, if the founder and his core group of leadership aren't prone to constantly shifting their base of operations, then like most of us, they try to stick it out far longer than maybe they should. You wake up one morning realizing that you are stuck in a rust belt town and the politics aren't healthy, your neighborhood property values peaked years ago, and the suburbs are trying to close down your range. Move to Redneckland to survive? How is that an improvement?
Been to Huntsville it's nice around there. It's late in life tho, I'm staying put.
You literally have to move your family, too. Not many people like to make those changes. Wives and children at their comfortable school of choice means leaving well enough alone. No, you finally decide to move when you see your neighborhoods declining and you would do it anyway. So, the subject is broached and the company core searches where it would like to emigrate.
Most corporations when large enough have an official office in Delaware where they keep a two person office for all the legalities. Moving to another state is more "where do we want to live and is the work force there skilled enough?"
If they had that skilled a financial analysis then wouldn't Remington have done a lot better? Sad to say, it's not always about someone who could prepare it, or that they would even be tasked to do it. Most companies diminish their accounting staft to the minimum necessary and have IT guys massaging the programs to conform to whatever new laws are appropriate, along with guidance from their auditors. Forensic financial analysis isn't done all that much - you can bet the founders of the company aren't doing it, they were mechanical entrepreneurs.
On the other hand there are stories of light manufacturing plants who could move at the drop of a hat - one typewriter plant would stay as long as the climate was productive but if they caught wind of a union organizer sneaking onto the payroll they could be in another state within weeks. They had their exfiltration process down pat. People would come to work on Monday morning to an empty plant with a final paycheck being handed out.
It was the kind of thing where the core group understood it was temporary from the git go - like being in the military and rotating thru three year "internments" at various facilities. (Mil brat here, yeah, it was kinda like that.)
Point being, if the founder and his core group of leadership aren't prone to constantly shifting their base of operations, then like most of us, they try to stick it out far longer than maybe they should. You wake up one morning realizing that you are stuck in a rust belt town and the politics aren't healthy, your neighborhood property values peaked years ago, and the suburbs are trying to close down your range. Move to Redneckland to survive? How is that an improvement?
Been to Huntsville it's nice around there. It's late in life tho, I'm staying put.
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