Kimber Tactical Ultra II: Pre-range Evaluation

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Hi all,

I just brought home my first 1911 in many years. After about six months of agonizing--spreadsheets, price checking, gun show patrols, emails, and forum reading--I decided on the Kimber Tactical Ultra II because it incorporated most features for the least money. The gun was about $970 + tax and I picked up some Wilson magazines after throwing out the cheap one Kimber includes with the gun.

In this post, I field stripped the gun and cleaned it. I noticed several flaws documented below. Overall, though, the gun seems to be well made.


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As you can see, this is a picture of the field stripped pistol just out of the box. It was lightly lubricated inside the slide and barrel. The parts fit together nicely, with no rattling of the slide on the rails. The barrel appeared to be well cut and I noticed that it had some brown crud around the rifling. I removed the crud with a liberal dose of Breakfree and some J-B Bore cleaner. The ambidextrous safety was not overly tight and emits a loud "click" when activated or deactivated. The sights were clean and centered. Finally, the grips fit the gun and the magazine well was not loose.

Upon closer inspection, I noticed that the checkering on the front strap and trigger guard is not complete. I didn't see this at the store; I guess it was a case of blind love ;)

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Notice how the top two rows of the front strap just have lines, not checkering. The third row has some checkering, but it was not completed. The line closest to the grip on the trigger guard is also partially completed.


Here is a view of the gun from the left side.

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The trigger is nicely centered and the magazine button is clean. You can really see the problems they had with the checkering on the front strap.


I continued my inspection of the gun by cleaning and looking at the slide. I noticed some mill marks on the cocking lug and bottom of the rails.

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These are not that bad and this is not a custom gun. They certainly are not as bad as those on one of my Sigs.


The aluminum frame also shows some marks.

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The beavertail grip safety appears to be well fit, as is the thumb safety.

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I also noticed that the finish seems to be worn away at the very front of the slide.

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In all, there are some problems with this Kimber Tactical Ultra II as it comes from the factory. The checkering could be better. There are some mill marks on the slide and frame, but none look overly severe. Finally, I noticed that the black finish was worn through near the muzzle. My overall impression is that the gun is good, but could use some detailing prior to shipment.

I will post the first set of results from the first range evaluation in several weeks.
 
I see

what your talking about and agree the quality could and should be much better for a gun costing almost $1000. I don't think it will take away from how it shoots and My Tac Pro II does not show the same lack of quality maching. I bought a Ultra Carry II also as it will just be a everyday carry gun I did not want to pay the extra money for Tac Ultra. Later I did buy the Tac Pro II just wanted the longer bbl. Let us know how it shoots I hope you bought the Wilson 47OX Mags and not the 47Ds Just remember it will need over 500 rds of good clean American 230gr FMJ Ammo. for the breakin. Good luck keep using the Breakfree on slide rails and end of bbl. take it along to range and use it after each 100 shots. Good luck it will be a really nice gun.
 
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I found the same thing on my NEW Kimber TLE-RL. The tool marks bugged me, but the poor finish on the muzzle of the slide drove me crazy when I got it home. You would think a gun that cost that much would have a better finish.

I shot it and all the finish problems seem to have been forgotten. Mine has the new external extractor. No FTF or FTE. Functioned 100 % flawlessly with FMJ and JHP.

I am very pleased.:cool:
 
Very nice photos, crebralfix, what kind of camera are you using?

Oh, btw, nice gun too. The next time you throw out any mags give me a holler. I'll pay for the shipping. :D

Michael
 
I sent this thread to Kimber

This was Dennis's reply he is the Manager of the Custom Shop at Kimber.

I am not really happy with his "Dennis" reply but I am sure this thread will get around to Kimbers owners or managers in Mfg. and Quality Control.

From: "Dennis Madonia" <[email protected]> Add to Address Book
To: Cerberus: My address removed
Subject: RE: Kimber Quality in question
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 16:55:43 -0400




Sorry, I have no comment good or bad about what is posted on the internet. The owner should contact us regarding his gun. Dennis
 
The "unfinished" checkering you see is standard Kimber machine checkering. If you look at other Kimbers, you'll see the same thing. Look at it as a "border" ;).
 
Not on my Tac Pro II

No such poor quality maching on my Kimber Tac Pro II. I would post a picture but for some unknown reason this site won't allow me to post any pictures.I Have e-mailed many times asking for help but have never gotten a reply. I could always post pictures at Glock Talk.
 
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Yes...a "checkering border!" That's it!!! A new feature!!! Have you considered a career in marketing?

I may or may not contact Kimber about the finish and checkering. It really depends upon whether or not the gun performs reliably. If so, then I'll just send it off to get a tougher finish (probably Robar). If it does not work well, then I'll ask Kimber to handle it. I like the gun as it is, flaws and all! It's well balanced, fits my hand, has a ramped barrel, and all the extras. Building a Stainless Ultra II up with night sights and an ambi safety brought it to $920, so I just spent the $50 to get the Tactical.

The main reason I paid almost $1000 for it is because I bought it from my favorite gun store (Virginia Arms, www.virginiaarms.com). They stand behind every gun they sell and will handle it for me, including replacing the gun if need be. Bernie (the owner) has customers that will only shop there because of how he takes care of them.

Try getting that from a gun show vendor!

The camera I used is a bit old, but still very good. I have found it sufficient for most "family" applications. It's a Casio QV-3000 EX at 3.3 megapixels. I had to reduce the photos to between 33-40% of normal size.

As for how to post pictures: you have to post a link or attach it. I just dumped them onto one of my cox.net "Personal Webspaces". If you place the mouse pointer on the link, the URL will show up at the bottom of the browser. Use the following syntax to do so:



where <URL> = http://members.cox.net/crebralfix/ls_trigger.jpg

NO spaces are allowed between the
tags.

You can use the "Attach file" feature at the bottom of the post to attach a pic. However, I recommend that you crop them and scale them to make them less than 100K in size.

Email me if you have further questions (crebralfix AT yahoo DOT com)

Finally, as for the shooting part: I'll let you know, in detail, how it performs. I'll take pictures at the range.
 
My Tac Pro II also has a couple of solid lines at the top of the checkering. I don't mond. I'm sure there are parctical limits to what the machine can do. To get it any closer it'd need to be done by hand, and then you'd be paying 2,000 instead of 1,000 (actually, mine was like 880).

Mine shoots great. Only problem I had was 3 rounds out of the first 50 didn't chamber all the way and I had to manually nudge the slide forward into battery (no real force required). No problem after that.
 
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