Kind of new to shotguns ?'s

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Birdmang

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I have hunted with shotguns since I was very young, but I never managed to really learn much about them...other than point and place the bead on the bird as my grandpa taught me. Now that I have gotten his shotguns I would like to know some things.

1. A choke spreads/contains the pattern of the shot, is this correct?

2. Rifled barrels and smooth barrels, what kind of shells can you shoot out of which barrels?

3. I have a gun that says full choke on the barrel, yet there is no choke looking thing at the end of the barrel?

4. What gun would be the best for trap shooting, which for hunting?

5. Can you not shoot slugs or not shoot shot out of any kinds of barrels? I don't want to ruin anything.


The shotguns I have and plan to use are as follows: Winchester Model 97 12 ga, Remington 870 Wingmaster 3' Magnum Pump 12 ga (full choke written on barrel), Mossberg 500 Clone (Sears) 12 ga, Winchester Model 93 12 ga.


thanks!
 
1. A choke limits the spread of shot.

2. Sabots perform best out of rifled barrels. Shot looks like a doughnut when shot out of a rifled barrel. Smooth bores do will with shot and rifled slugs (non sabot).

3. The barrel may be designed with the constriction built in. Not all chokes are replacable.

4. Haven't got a clue

5. I would strongly recommend not shooting shot out of a rifled barrel. It's not because it will ruin something, but because you won't hit anything. You, in general, won't ruin a barrel by shooting something out of it but you might not be able to hit anything with it.
 
OK, advice time, one by one-

The Winchester Model 1897 was designed in part because the receiver of the Model 1893 (the earlier version of the 97 design) proved not to be as strong as it needed to be to use the then-new smokeless powder that was coming into wide use. Only about 35,000 Model 93's were ever made, and there's a good chance its chamber is shorter than the now-standard 2 3/4".

The Model 93 needs special attention if you are to shoot it, it should be checked by a good gunsmith for mechanical condition and its chamber length determined accurately. If it is to be fired once cleared by the 'smith, it should be used only with shells of the proper length loaded with a powder appropriate to the design. It might be best to consider honored retirement for this one, rather than trying to make it a 'using' shotgun. There aren't a lot of 93s out there.

The Model 97 may also have a chamber shorter than 2 3/4", that will depend on when it was made (Model 97s were manufactured from 1897 until 1957 with nearly a million sold). This too should be determined by a good gunsmith, who should also evaluate its overall mechanical condition. There are a lot of Model 97s in use today in cowboy action shooting, but they are known to break parts and need a certain amount of nursemaiding under heavy use, even with the relative powderpuff loads often used in CAS. Talk it over with your gunsmith re. using this one, or retiring it too.

The Sears/Mossberg (the Mossberg 500 was introduced in 1961) should be no problem, so long as it is in good mechanical condition and used with shells of the proper length (the barrel should be marked in the area of the chamber as to the chamber size). Make sure the bore is clear on any shotgun before embarking on a shooting session just on general principles, but especially one that's been in storage for a long time. Spare barrels for Mossberg 500s should fit it, if you want to add any extra barrels for different uses. See the list at http://www.hoosiergunworks.com/catalog/cross_reference.html for one source to determine what compamy made various "hardware store" guns by model number.

Likewise the Remington- it should be fine for any 2 3/4" or 3" loads, except perhaps for steel shot. But make sure that the receiver is marked Magnum, the serial number ends in M and the barrel is marked for 2 3/4 or 3" shells. Were I you, I'd give Remington a call during business hours at 1-800-243-9700 to determine its date of manufacture (870s were first manufactured in 1950, Magnum 870s were introduced in 1955, well before steel shot was an issue, about ten million 870s have been sold so far) and ask if it's OK for steel shot, if you plan on waterfowling with it.

Older shotguns had fixed chokes, which are constrictions formed into the inside end of the barrel at the muzzle. Fixed chokes aren't visible usually, unless the barrel is really clean and you look down its length from the breech. As a rule, choke is intended to contain the spread of shot, but there are some negative or reverse chokes that are intended to spread it. Those are seldom seen, however.

Rifled barrels are for sabot slugs only as a rule. Smoothbore barrels can be used with shot or slugs, but rifled slugs are used in smoothbore barrels. Rifled slugs can be fired through full chokes but they usually work better in more open chokes (ImpCyl or maybe Mod). There are lots of extra barrels available for the Remington 870 too, be sure you get barrels with 3" chambers and with the same magazine cap detent in the barrel ring that Wingmasters use, if you go barrel shopping. The only 12 gauge barrel that won't fit is the one used on the 870 Special Field- the barrel ring on those is in a different place, because the SF had a shorter magazine tube.

That's a really nice collection of pumpguns you have there. The Model 93 might have some collector interest, I don't know much about collectible shotguns. No matter what anyone else thinks they are worth, I hope they are all priceless to you because they belonged to your grandfather.

That group of shotguns spans most of the era of American pump shotguns. The pump shotgun is a definitive American design, made to fit the needs of the working man with a limited budget. It's been adopted by armies and by law enforcement, but the overwhelming majority of pump shotguns see duty only in hunting blinds, the woods and fields, or on trap and skeet fields. And many a business or household in the USA is secured by a short barrelled pump shotgun as well.

I hope you enjoy them and care for them, and pass them along intact to the next generation in your family.

lpl
 
To tack on to what Lee said. That 870 with that barrel should be fine for trap, it is exactly what I use. Not trying to be insulting, but Trap, Skeet, and Sporting Clays are specific games, although many people refer to informally shooting clay pigeons as trap or skeet. For regulation trap, a full or modified choke which controls the spread of shot, is usually preferred.
I wouldn't shoot steel shot out of that barrel. Get another barrel with RemChokes for any hard non-toxic shot. A lot of information on chokes and usages here:
www.briley.com
 
Continuing on:

As a beginner shooting from the 16 yard line, a Full might be too much, but it will work. It is definitely too much for skeet or sporting clays. Barrels with fixed chokes can be changed if you need them to be. Either changeable choke tubes, or less expensively, just having a tighter choke opened up to something more useful is generally easy to accomplish by a competent gun smith.
 
As a beginner shooting from the 16 yard line, a Full might be too much, but it will work.
I'm gonna second this. If you do decide to take it trap shooting as a beginner move back to about the 20 yard line if you have trouble hitting them up close. It will give the shot more distance to spread and actually be easier out of a full choke than 16 yard line.

For a beginner don't worry about buying a clays gun and spending a large chunk of change until you get used to shooting in general.

As far as aiming at the bird, your mileage will vary. Generally with a stock cheek rest and rib you will need to aim slightly over the bird in trap, essentially cover it with the barrel. Once you get used to shooting it will instinctively shoot where you point it when focusing on the bird and the sights will be a distraction if you look at them.
 
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