KKK Byrd Wants Schoolkids to Study, Value Constitution

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Byrd: School Isn't Too Cool for Constitution

Tuesday, August 16, 2005

By Kelley Beaucar Vlahos

WASHINGTON — Tucked away in the 2005 appropriations bill is a little-noticed rider that is aimed at compelling students to spend every Sept. 17 learning about the U.S. Constitution.

The Constitution and Citizenship Day provision was added with little fanfare into the omnibus spending bill passed by Congress last December. It is the brainchild of Sen. Robert Byrd (search), considered by many of his peers to be the Senate's most learned student of the nation's founding documents.

"One will not protect what one does not value. And one cannot value what one does not understand," Byrd, D-W.Va., said when he introduced the provision, explaining that if students understood the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights, they would do more to protect and defend them.

"Through our schools, we can help to ensure that each new generation of Americans understands what is at stake," Byrd said.

Starting this fall, Byrd's provision will require all schools that receive federal assistance — that includes most public institutions and many private ones, too — to offer a "Constitution Day" program commemorating the signing of the U.S. Constitution on Sept. 17, 1787.

The measure also requires that all new federal government employees receive educational materials on the Constitution at the time of hiring. All federal workers will also be offered some form of program each Sept. 17.

"It's just common sense that on the day the document was ratified we spend a little time thinking about what it is and what it means and how it affects our everyday lives," said Tom Gavin, Byrd's spokesman, who added that the legislation was left purposefully open so that schools could create their own programs.

Supporters of Byrd's amendment point to a 2004 University of Connecticut survey to highlight the need for the yearly reminder. The survey of more than 100,000 students found that one in three high school students thinks the First Amendment goes "too far" in guaranteeing free speech to all Americans. It also found that only half said they thought newspapers should be allowed to publish freely without government approval.

In addition, three in four students surveyed wrongly believed that flag burning is illegal and about half wrongly thought the government has the right to restrict indecent material legally posted on the Internet.

Martha Bouyer, a social studies supervisor for Jefferson County schools in Birmingham, Ala., said she supports the new requirements, although she has been teaching the Constitution in her classroom for years.

"We need to know more about our government and Constitution and how it functions. It's like what we don't know will come back to haunt us," Bouyer said. "We're trying to focus on it, but we can easily do more. I think it will restore a sense of patriotism."

Al Frascella, spokesman for the National Council for the Social Studies, said teaching the Constitution as well as civics and social studies courses has been on the decline for decades. Nonetheless, he doesn't know how effective Constitution Day will be.

"Sen. Byrd has good intentions, but he's only setting aside one day, and that means you're taking a day out of the regular curriculum," said Frascella, who praised Byrd for his past support for social studies funding. "Unless you are making it meaningful to the person listening, you are going to be wasting a lot of time."

Other education experts said they agree that teaching the Constitution is essential, but recognize that not everyone wants the federal government dictating local school districts' curricula.

"This is a really friendly-sounding goal but I would be opposed absolutely and completely on the grounds of federalism," said Mike Krempasky, a conservative activist and a founder of the Web log RedState.org.

"[When] you have someone of higher authority telling you what to do, there is general resistance," said Daniel Gregg, a social studies coordinator for the Connecticut Department of Education. However, "this is not the kind of thing that people are going to get upset about because of the nature of what it is."

Gregg pointed out that Connecticut may be ahead of the federal law since it is the "Constitution State."

"It's the law, but at the same time, it's not something that schools in Connecticut would find inconsistent with the curriculum of our state. We already do this," he said.

John Phillips, superintendent of the Muscogee County school district in Columbus, Ga., concurred.

"People may say that it might be a local decision, but this is America, particularly in times of terrorism and breaches of security and freedom being jeopardized. ... We think this is vitally important," he said.

Charles Haynes, education director for the First Amendment Center, which is part of the Newseum in Washington, D.C., said more than a day is needed to teach the principles behind the nation's foundation.

"I think sometimes political leaders and some schools use a quick fix," Haynes said. "They really need to look at the real problem, which is a lack of understanding of our Constitution."

But Richard Stengel, president and CEO of the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia, said Byrd's idea "is great."

"It's a Band-aid, but I think what Byrd was thinking was, you have to start somewhere, and one day is better than zero days a year," he said.

Gavin said the legislation does not dictate any particular curriculum, nor does it detail any enforcement guidelines or penalties if schools don't comply, he said.

Frascella said reaction has been mixed to the new law. "I talk to teachers all over the nation and there are those who say it's the law and they will do it." Others, who are overwhelmed with other responsibilities like improving test scores, know no enforcement mechanism exists. "They say … it's not going to impact me, so I'm not going to do it," he said.

Marshall Manson, spokesman for the Center for Individual Freedom in Virginia, said the lack of an imposed curriculum or enforcement makes the legislation largely benign.

"I think that's why it passes the reasonable test," he said. "It shouldn't give anyone a headache."

Manson added that he is heartened by the bill's motivations.

"It's really unfortunate that teaching the Constitution has become passé in our public schools," Manson said. "Certainly, anything that can get the Constitution back into America's schools is a step in the right direction."


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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Grand Wizard, IIRC, seems to be rather soft on the 2A.
 
The ex-Klansman ended his ties with the group in 1943.

I believe many SS members and other Nazis also claimed the same thing, around the same time, coincidentally. :neener:
 
"I believe many SS members and other Nazis also claimed the same thing, around the same time, coincidentally."

I believe you're confusing 1943 with the end of WWII. :banghead:

John
 
A favored Socialist propaganda method is to attack a person as opposed to their ideas, and the reason is because they cannot win against those ideas because they're correct.

Socialists don't want the Constitution studied because we might realize that the politicians aren't paying any attention to it and we essentially have a criminal govt.
 
Holy crap a whole DAY to study the constitution!

But dont worry, it adds up over a lifetime!

:barf:

Are they going to learn about the constitution as interpteted by the black robed tyrants, or as written by the founding fathers?
 
It is the brainchild of Sen. Robert Byrd, considered by many of his peers to be the Senate's most learned student of the nation's founding documents.

Wow-- it sounds like this "learned student" of the Constitution needs a refresher course himself... The Federal government can legitimately dictate to local school districts what they must teach? I must have been staring out the window the day we covered that part of the Constitution...

I really believe that ALL Americans need to know a LOT more about the Constitution-- starting with those who are members of Congress. A good place to start would be the fact that the federal government was not meant to have any part in education. Once Uncle Sugar is out of the picture, maybe the whole mess could actually be reformed. I know, dream on...

-Chris W.
 
Fairlane63, were you not aware of the long existent power as shown in "Starting this fall, Byrd's provision will require all schools that receive federal assistance — that includes most public institutions and many private ones, too — to offer a "Constitution Day" program commemorating the signing of the U.S. Constitution on Sept. 17, 1787."

The key words are "federal assistance". This began, basically, in 1962.

Consider the Golden Rule: Them with the gold, rule.

Art
 
I agree, but do you really trust government schools to teach it correctly?
I sure don't. I recently came across on of the little pamphlets/books that my Grmother (a teacher at the time) gave me when I was about seven years old (30+ years ago). Under the section referring to the 2nd amendment, it gives the text of the amendment, and then in italics states "This is the National Guard". Fortunately I'd gotten a childrens text on the Founding Fathers the previous Christmas, so I already knew the score. :evil:
 
Art-- Oh yeah, I'm definitely aware of the federal funding-- I think it is unconstitutional and has done a lot more harm than good to boot. The irony of Byrd's provision just kills me though: "We're going to make sure kids learn about the Constitution... and we're going to pass unconstitutional law #1,346,245 to make dang sure that happens!" It'd be comical if it wasn't so pathetic and sad...

-Chris W.
 
Well, unless tehy start changing the wording of the Constitution, and telling us that we were the ones that forgot how it went, I don't see how you can misteach it. Here are the words, memorize them.
 
Some people would be doing us a bigger favor if they simply joined the opposition. Thanks but no thanks Byrd, you may be a 100% correct, but your mistakes arent going to go away (and im not convinced that they should).

A favored Socialist propaganda method is to attack a person as opposed to their ideas, and the reason is because they cannot win against those ideas because they're correct.

This is true, in fact its true for EVERYONE not just socialists.

However, it is also a favored tactic of the immoral to pretend that their own immorality has no bearing on their credibility.
 
"What's with the Grand Wizard and KKK stuff?

The ex-Klansman ended his ties with the group in 1943. <shrug>"

Wrong! "Once a member always a member. It's a thing of the heart." I heard that from the Democrats so it must be true. They were talking about David Duke at the time, but what's the difference?

rr
 
Byrd has a re-election challenge coming up next year

I read that he has a serious challenge for the first time in years next year. That might account for his sudden interest in "the children".

His health is failing and the "Dean of the Senate" pontificating crapola only goes so far back home on the hustings. The guy has delivered for his state over the 40 plus years the Dem's ran things, but for the last 6 years or so he hasn't been able to bring home the normal obscene levels of pork he used to.

Heck, Byrd is even cuddling up to Bush in ads back home and trying to move to the middle. I don't think he'll succeed. Besides the Dems don't have the control of the union votes they used to have.

I also find it interesting that so many of the same people that are ready to accept his "apology" for being an active klan member for many years don't seem to be able to overlook Trent Lott's single comment on Strom Thrumond's 100th birthday and his subsequent apology.
 
Knowledge and understanding of the Constitution should be mandatory for high school graduation.

Yep, as well as a 1-semester course in the fundamentals of Logic; with the second semester being a study of the American capitalist system of economy.

Knowledge and understanding of the Constitution should be mandatory for high school graduation.

Oh yeah....Yes, provided that it's taught correctly and historically, not with revisionist history.
 
What's with the Grand Wizard and KKK stuff?

The ex-Klansman ended his ties with the group in 1943. <shrug>

So he claims.

From his wikipedia entry:

When running for Congress in 1952, he announced, "After about a year, I became disinterested, quit paying my dues, and dropped my membership in the organization. During the nine years that have followed, I have never been interested in the Klan." During this campaign, "Byrd went on the radio to acknowledge that he belonged to the Klan from 'mid-1942 to early 1943,' according to newspaper accounts. He explained that he had joined 'because it offered excitement and because it was strongly opposed to communism.' " He said that after about a year, he quit and dropped his membership, and never was interested in the Klan again.ibid

During the campaign, Byrd's Republican Party opponent "uncovered a letter Byrd had handwritten to [...] the KKK Imperial Wizard, recommending a friend as a Kleagle and urging promotion of the Klan throughout the country. The letter was dated 1946 -- when Byrd was 29 years old and long after the time Byrd claimed he had lost interest in the Klan. 'The Klan is needed today as never before, and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia," Byrd wrote, according to newspaper accounts of that period."ibid

During his campaign for the U.S. Senate in 1958, when Byrd was 41 years old, Byrd defended the Klan. He argued that the KKK had been incorrectly blamed for much of violence in the South. [7]

1943, 1946, who cares right? Then why the lie? Not to mention his continuing behavior.
 
Are they going to learn about the constitution as interpteted by the black robed tyrants, or as written by the founding fathers?

That's the first question I asked when I read that. It would be interesting to know who's "version" of the Constitution they'll be learning.
 
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