Knight inline problems

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Well I bought a used Knight inline that was in great shape (no rust). I know the guy I bought it from too. I mounted a scope. Loaded her up with 100 grs. 777 and it took me forever to get the 209 primer in. Finally developed a routine of removing the scope which gives me more room to get the primer in and out. Primers sometimes stick and I mean stick. Took her down and did a thorough cleaning but primers are still sticking. They are winchester 209 for 777 powder.

By the time I got the stuck primer out I was ready to throw the whole 9 yards in the trash.

My cva bobcat is a joy to shoot, load and clean. It groups way better than the knight.

I only paid $75. for the knight, but I learned my lesson. I had several missfires (primer took 3 strikes to go off).

If I had someone that I really didn't like (I don't), and they hunted I would give it to them, because to properly maintain it would drive them up a wall.

From now on I'm sticking with my side hammer.
 
Knight

Sorry to hear of the problems you are having with the knight. Say if you really do want to get rid of the gun I would be willing to pay the shipping to my address. I am looking for a gun for my second born. I'd like to mess with it and see if I could get it to group.
Thanks,Frogee
 
BigFatKen, no offence intended. Where can I get the little tool that you describe? The rifle did not come with one nor did it come with the owner's manual, although the owner did tell me it was a pain in the butt to clean. I tried one hornandy sabot 300 grs. It was brutal getting it down the bbl. And I do mean brutal. The t/c 250 gr. sabots load very easy. I'm now getting missfires with w/w 777 primers. That's after I completely cleaned the gun. I'm thinking the primer may not be seating fully but now it's taking 3 or 4 times before it will go off.
 
This is a cheap imported rifle. It may be different on yours. I can describe it. If you cut sheet metal, you can make one.

Mine came with the rifle from www.Cabelas.com It is 3 or 4 inches long. That is not important. Mine is about 0.32+ inch wide, important. It must be narrow enough to fit into the primer loading area. It must be wide enough to hold a primer. Picture this: You cut out a large food can lid into this strip. You dril a round hole in the middle near one end as wide as the outside diameter of a primer, .209" or a tiny bit more, but less than the outside size of the primer lip. You now cut the metal through the 0.32" width leavig a half circle. That is your primer extractor. The other half is harder to make. If that bends you need stronger steel stock.

It holds the primer by the lip that on a real tool is a dovetail slot at the other end. I just got a new one out of a plastic bag, so I must have bought it somewhere. The factory ones were plastic. There are fast load kits with one of these primer holders and other stuff to hold 3 powder pellots and a sabot.

They are likely sold where you can buy primers.

one hornandy sabot 300 grs.
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I shot that last year and three 250 grs today. I had my friend help me. He is a large rubber mallet. Today I used his poorer brother Mr. rusty steel hammer left in the shack over the winter.

If it was more brutal than the 22oz hammer, your bore may be rough. Ask others how this if fixed. I only had mine one year. I loaded one round ball over a spitted patch and the 3.4cc 777 It was much easier than the Hornady which gave a 2.5 inch group at 170 yards.

I'm thinking the primer may not be seating fully but now it's taking 3 or 4 times before it will go off.
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I have no question you are seating the priner a little more with each hammer blow. Crud buildup commonly. This makes for interesting benchrest shooting. If you do not know when its going off, you can see if you're flinching. Better fix it before the hunt.
 
Knight makes a magnetic 209 breech plug, it eliminates the primer getting wedged deeper into the pocket like earlier designs. Knight also offered a special tool for removal and installation of early 209 primer conversions, looks like this.....
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Failure of the hammer to strike the primer can be caused by a couple of different things. Could be the primers, try a different brand. The secondary safety ring may not be spun all the way back and doesn't allow the bolt to move full stroke. Bolt may need disassembled and cleaned, debris may be preventing pin/bolt from moving full stroke. A weak spring in the bolt could also be the problem. Could be the breech plug is seated too deep and bolt stroke isn't long enough to dent primer.

Not a fan of 777 powder, doesn't have the accuracy or consistancy other powders offer.
 
Not a fan of 777 powder, doesn't have the accuracy or consistancy other powders offer.
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Thank you. I wish I knew this before a pound. I will use it up as above for fun round ball shooting. I can say however, the one shot I took hit the bull about a third of a ball off the true center. I'm not saying it will do it again.
 
I've not had a problem with accuracy when using 777 in my Knight - in fact it's been a lot better than anything else I've tried. The thing is you have to watch to make sure you load every round with the same pressure, as 777 does compress more than the other larger grained powders. This can cause a lot of inconsistency with charges in cap & ball revolvers, but never in my rifle to date.

When a muzzleloading gun, powder, bullet combination can shoot dime-size groups at 75yds, there is no problem with accuracy.
 
BigFatKen - one man's 777 is another man's Goex....Try them with an open mind, the way you shoot, pick the one that works for you and say thanks to all those that tell you what they like and don't like.
 
The back of the Knight Decapper - Cap Seater package states that "a nipple is a wear item and must be replaced occasionally. When a nipple becomes worn or deformed it may cause a misfire. We recommend Modern Muzzle Loading nipple (Part #900012) for replacement on your Knight rifle."
 
Thanks for everyone's help and sugguestions. M/L season ends this weekend, but that's ok, the weather has not been good - too hot. I'm going to call knight next week and see if they can diagnose the problem. I'm going to borrow some primers from my friend and try them. My gut feeling is the primer pocket is full of crud as it didn't start to missfire until about 20 shots. I did clean out the pocket, but apparently did a less than stellar job. Believe me, by that time I was about to throw the whole mess in the garbage (just like the commercial). My oldest son came over yesterday and he wanted to check it out. I handed him a primer and told him to have at it. He finally got the primer in and it took 4 trys before the primer went off. Now it's stuck in the breech plug. Yea, you're right about the flinching part, but I never had that problem as I quit shooting hard kicking guns a long time ago. I haven't flinched in years. The recoil of the knight was really quite mild, even with the 300 gr. hornandy, which was heck to load. The rifling looks ok, but I'm gonna try some butches bore shine anyway. It turned my lee enfield into a real shooter, but that's another story.

The pressure is off now. I had high hopes of using a scoped m/l this season, but it just wasn't meant to be.

Thanks again for everyone's help.
 
BigFatKen.......................

I haven't loaded down to 50gr 777 for round ball, but I did Chrono 70gr of 2fg 777 with a patched .490" ball out of my Knight USAK at 1544fps at the muzzle.
As an educated guess, I'd say 50gr would put you around 1300fps, give or take 75fps and depending on the length of your barrel.

Hope that helps.
 
351 WINCHESTER,... Don't feel bad. I had a Traditions Tracker 209 to see if I liked BP shooting, shot it for a year then decided to "upgrade" to a Thompson Omega. The Omega gets this "crud Ring" that is a beeotch to clean out. I sold it yesterday, scope and all for 200 dollars and I am going to get me another Tracker. I was more satisfied, and enjoyed shooting BP more when I had it. I guess it one of those " To each, his own" type of deals, cause I know some guys that wouldn't trade their omega for nothing.
 
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