LA Times: Gun Groups May Not Be Bush Campaign Weapon

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Gun Groups May Not Be Bush Campaign Weapon

The NRA and others were a key asset in 2000. But many activists are
disenchanted with the president's record on security measures.

By Eric Slater, LA Times Staff Writer

The National Rifle Assn. sold a videotape on its website during the
early days of the 2000 presidential campaign showing a top official
predicting that if George W. Bush won, "we'll have a president ...
where we work out of their office."

The statement, by now-NRA President Kayne Robinson, was little more
than hyperbolic rallying of the troops. He went on to call Democratic
nominee Al Gore an "antigun fanatic" whose election would be a
"horror story."

But the statement illuminated the hope of many gun-rights activists
that, after eight years of tussling with President Clinton, they
could — if they worked hard — help put a friend in the White House.
They did work hard, and Bush won.

Four years later, some gun owners have grown so disenchanted with
President Bush that they may cast a protest vote for a third-party
candidate, stay away from the polls, or even back the likely
Democratic nominee, gun-control advocate John F. Kerry.

It's unclear how many gun owners could be counted as activists, but
they are affiliated with a variety of organizations, from the NRA and
Gun Owners of America to smaller state and regional organizations
around the country. And they could play a pivotal role in the outcome
of this year's presidential race.

Surprisingly, the issues that have most alienated many gun groups
from the Bush administration have little to do with firearms, but
rather with the Patriot Act and other homeland security measures
instituted after Sept. 11. Opposition to such laws has aligned gun-
rights activists with unlikely partners, such as liberal Democrats
and the ACLU.

"It's not just gun rights for us, it's the Bill of Rights," said
Angel Shamaya, executive director of KeepAndBearArms.com, which
claims tens of thousands of supporters. "A lot of gun-rights
advocates are from mildly upset to livid over President Bush and his
administration."

The dilemma Bush faces is that although most gun-rights groups
consider him far more friendly to their concerns than Kerry, he may
have lost enough of their political support to keep them from
becoming an energized and therefore influential voting bloc in a
close election.

Bush has not engendered "enthusiasm" among gun-rights voters, said
Larry Pratt, the longtime head of the Gun Owners of America, a
political and lobbying organization. "Sometimes he's good and
sometimes he's bad."

The Bush administration has come down on the side of gun-rights
groups on several issues, perhaps most notably in opposing efforts to
hold firearm manufacturers liable for damages caused by their
products. But it also has repeatedly disappointed gun activists on
other issues, from refusing to allow airline pilots to arm themselves
to quietly supporting the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban.

Still angry about the FBI's 1993 botched raid on the Branch Davidian
compound near Waco, Texas, gun-rights groups have repeatedly raised
the alarm in recent years over privacy and search-and-seizure issues.

They deeply oppose new airline screening procedures, which they view
as violations of search-and-seizure laws, the detaining of terrorism
suspects without charging them with crimes, and especially the
Patriot Act, which allows law enforcement to tap phones without a
search warrant in some cases.

Privacy Versus Security

Nelson Lund, a law professor and 2nd Amendment expert at George Mason
University in Fairfax, Va., says it's not surprising gun-rights
advocates are at odds with Bush on privacy and national security
issues.

"People who have a strong interest in gun rights tend to be
libertarian in their thinking," Lund said. "They tend to be skeptical
of the government."

Five months after the Sept. 11 attacks, when many Americans were
willing to give the president nearly anything he asked for in terms
of security, NRA Chief Executive Wayne LaPierre took the
administration to task.

"I have great respect for this administration. But that doesn't mean
I have to agree with confiscating nail clippers from grandmothers and
poking magnetic wands up skirts" at airports, LaPierre told the
Conservative Political Action Conference.

"Too many are too timid to ask what these outrages are supposed to
achieve. Too many are too polite to say that our Bill of Rights is
too sacred to give up for homeland security or for anything else," he
said.

Leaders of the NRA — with 4 million members, the largest gun-rights
group — are likely to back Bush again in 2004, but mainly because
they don't like Kerry. "If you look at a potential Kerry
administration, it might have an attorney general that would have to
pass muster with [gun-control advocates Sens.] Chuck Schumer, a
Dianne Feinstein, a Hillary Clinton. That is not a freedom-friendly
group," NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam said.

About 50,000 people are expected to attend the NRA's 133rd annual
convention this weekend in Pittsburgh, and political organizing is
high on the agenda.

The Bush campaign declined to comment on whether it was aware of
concerns or political discontent among gun-rights activists, but it
plans to appeal for votes during the NRA convention. Vice President
Dick Cheney is scheduled to give the keynote address Saturday night.

Bush campaign spokesman Scott Stanzel said the president planned to
launch a grass-roots outreach effort aimed at gun owners nationwide —
similar to one in 2000. And Bush recently invited officials from the
NRA, Ducks Unlimited and Pheasants Forever to tour his ranch near
Crawford, Texas.

"The Patriot Act is giving law enforcement officials the same tools
they have to fight organized crime to fight terrorism," Stanzel said.
He added: "President Bush has been a long, consistent 2nd Amendment
supporter."

About 75 million to 80 million Americans own firearms, with at least
one gun in roughly 40% of households nationwide, according to several
studies by both gun-rights and gun-control organizations. Though most
gun owners cast their ballots based on a range of concerns, some
estimates put as high as 10 million the number who vote mainly based
on gun-rights issues.

Large percentages of gun owners live in such swing states as Oregon,
Arizona, Missouri, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Tennessee and Arkansas.
And their participation is likely to be vital to both parties in what
is expected to be a close election.

Gun groups are known for their political activism mainly in local and
congressional races, but their support for or opposition to
candidates can have broad reach. During the 2000 campaign, the NRA
spent nearly $18 million to back mostly Republican candidates, making
it one of the party's five largest independent donors. It spent more
than $1 million on ads to support Bush and to attack Gore.

Many observers credited the effort with tilting the election to Bush,
mainly by persuading blue-collar, gun-owning Democrats to abandon
Gore in such swing states as West Virginia and Tennessee.

Attacking 'Turncoats'

This year state and regional gun groups are openly attacking not only
Bush, but other Republicans they view as turncoats.

The Oregon Firearms Federation, for example, has grown increasingly
hostile toward Republican Sen. Gordon Smith, who joined Bush in
backing the renewal of the Assault Weapons Ban. In direct mail and e-
mail campaigns, the group has accused Smith of voting against gun
rights 80% of the time and using Bush as "cover" for his backing of
the ban.

"The people we target the most are the people who pretend to be our
friends," said the federation's executive director, Kevin Starrett.
"Those kind of guys are the ones we want our people to know about the
most."

Although Bush backed efforts to halt liability suits against
manufacturers, the legislation was rejected by the Senate in March
and was viewed by some state gun groups as an NRA-driven disaster.
The lead sponsor of the bill, Sen. Larry E. Craig (R-Idaho), who is
also an NRA board member, was forced to encourage fellow lawmakers to
vote against it after gun-control proponents tacked on amendments
that gun-rights groups opposed.

One key amendment would have extended the Assault Weapons Ban, which
has a "sunset" clause that is due to expire in September. The ban
outlawed the manufacture and sale of some assault-style semiautomatic
weapons as well as large-capacity ammunition magazines. Many gun
owners viewed its passage a decade ago as the single greatest
infringement of the 2nd Amendment in modern times.

Bush has expressed support for the ban's extension for another
decade, but gun groups say his advisors hinted to them that he backed
it only because he knows it will almost certainly die in a Republican-
controlled Congress.

Kerry flew back from the campaign trail to vote for the extension of
the ban, but was warned along with other Democrats about the
potential costs of alienating gun owners.

"Silence on the gun issue only hardens voters' negative perceptions
of Democrats," said a memo from former Gore aide Doug Hattaway and
others, which was handed out to Senate Democrats.

"To earn increased gun owner trust, Democrats must pro-actively
define their current positions on guns — as Second Amendment
Democrats, who back tough enforcement of all federal gun laws and
support centrist gun policies," the memo said.

Though widely viewed as an opponent by gun-rights group, Kerry
nevertheless has gone out of his way on the campaign trail to note
that he is a gun owner and hunter, pulling out a shotgun and heading
off to hunt pheasant in Iowa during one photo opportunity.

His overtures as a hunter have done little to mollify activists, who
note that the 2nd Amendment was not written to guarantee hunting
rights, and remember well that Clinton also was a gun owner and
hunter.

Kerry does not expect to win most of the gun vote, but his challenge
is to keep moderate gun-owning Democrats from coalescing around Bush.
He may find his efforts aided by what some observers say has been
increased infighting among gun-rights advocates.

Though proponents of gun control frequently characterize the NRA as a
radical far-right organization, many state and regional groups view
it as too moderate, and accuse the NRA of acquiescing on fundamental
tenets of the movement in the interest of political expediency.

Such groups are nearly as irked by the NRA for its support of Bush —
"squishy" though it may be, in the words of one official — as with
Bush himself.

Although they traditionally back Republicans, several state and
regional gun-rights groups — driven especially by opposition to the
Patriot Act and other post-Sept. 11 measures — have grown so
disillusioned by the Bush administration that they are openly
discussing the potential benefits of voting for Kerry.

A Democrat in the White House to face down a Republican-controlled
Congress might, the argument goes, be the best way to halt what they
view as a raid on civil liberties.

"Had the Clinton administration proposed the Patriot Act, which is a
real scary thing for gun owners, the Republican-controlled Congress
would have been apoplectic," said Starrett of the Oregon Firearms
Federation.

"The Republicans aren't the saviors of gun owners. Sometimes we're
better off when those two gangs are divided," he said.

David Kopel, research director at the Independence Institute, a
conservative think tank in Golden, Colo., said gun owners who are
disenchanted with Bush should look back at Clinton, ahead to a
potential Kerry administration, and work on Bush's reelection
campaign.

"The complaint among some of the activists [this season] is that
George Bush hasn't done enough for us affirmatively," Kopel said.

"But gun owners on the whole tend to advance and win at the state
level whenever the president is not actively against them. I'll take
a Republican who mostly leaves us alone any day over a Democrat who
would mobilize the nation against us."


http://www.latimes.com/news/politic...3apr13,1,2467557.story?coll=la-home-headlines
 
Quote:

"The Bush administration has come down on the side of gun-rights
groups on several issues, perhaps most notably in opposing efforts to
hold firearm manufacturers liable for damages caused by their
products. "

No bias here. :rolleyes:
 
Let's see, we have Kerry - who has a 100% rating from both VPC and the Brady Campaign (he votes the way they want him to EVERY time). A Senator who just voted to ban all centerfire rifle ammo, including .30-30 specifically by name, LAST MONTH.

Or we have Bush:

PRO:

1. UN Small Arms Restrictions blocked by US

2. Attorney General declares Second Amendment is individual right - reverses 35 years of previous Justice Department doctrine on the matter.

3. Attorney General refuses to allow legitimate purchase of NICS data to be used for fishing expedition - Ashcroft stops grabbers from sifting through NICS data of legitimate purchasers to look for "terrorists".

4. Ashcroft changes NICS data holding from 90 days to 1 day - NICS data on legitimate purchases will now be purged from the system in a single day as the law intended rather than being held onto for 90 days per Clinton policy

5. Bush supports and will sign lawsuit preemption bill

6. Bush ends taxpayer funding of useless HUD gun buybacks

7. Signs bill closing loophole that prevented cargo pilots from being armed

8. Signed the appropriations bill containing the Tiahrt Amendment that protects gunowner privacy by making item #4 the law of the land.

9. Gets chance to have several things he claims to support (lawsuit preemption, gunshow background checks, semi-auto ban) on a single bill. Sends letter to Congress asking them to consider only lawsuit preemption.

NEUTRAL:

1. Claims to be against original bill arming air line pilots but signs bill authorizing it.

2. Partially repeals Clinton ban on import of some semi-auto firearm parts instituted in Summer of 2000 to allow import of parts for repair purposes. Doesn't repeal any Executive Orders relating to guns instituted by previous Presidents.

CON:

1. Continues his support (stated in 2000) of the notoriously useless semi-auto ban.

2. Signed the bill banning non-existent plastic guns into law.
 
an excellent post, Bartholomew

For it summarizes well the actual pro-gun activities of the Bush Administration.

I'm always surprised by the number of "theorists" at this forum who don't seem to me to have ANY understanding of the pragmatic needs of the politicians in today's sound-byte campaigns.

The article seemed to reasonably-balanced overview of the issues we / gun owners have in this election--balanced, that is, from a reporter's viewpoint.
 
"The Republicans aren't the saviors of gun owners. Sometimes we're
better off when those two gangs are divided." Amen.

That is a suprisingly well written article. I won't be voting for Kerry regardless but it's looking dimmer and dimmer that I'll be voting for President Chene....I mean Bush.
 
I'll second that, and it should be a float for awhile...

This is, however, knowing as pi$$ing on the windward side of the boat.
 
Pathetic attempt to divide and conquer.
Anyone remembers how few month ago some liberal CA newspapers went as far as officially endorsing Tom McClintock for Governor days before the election? After months of beating him up for his "ultra-conservatism". All in attempts to pull away some votes from Schwarzenegger. Same playbook, same players. :barf:
 
An attempt to divide and conquer, perhaps. But the article was pretty-dang spot on.

Bart, you forgot to place Dubya's support of the AW ban in the Con side.

The folks in Ohio began a letter writing campaign that told both the national and state GOP honchos that if CCW didn't pass in Ohio, they wouldn't vote for Bush.

The article is correct. There *is* discontent out there among gun owners for the Bush administration. To argue otherwise is just plain silly.

As well, it ain't just about guns, as the article stressed. The 2A is just 10% of the Bill of rights.

Rick
 
DAMN! That is a good article. I am surprised that such an article came out of LA. Its practically devoid of anti sentiment. Its practically pro-BOR, and shows that we gun-rights people arent mindless GOP supporters, and arent blind to the abuses of civil rights that this administration has opened the door to.

And to top it off, it completely sums up how I feel about Bush. Unless he is neck-and-neck with Kerry, I refuse to vote for him. I only vote for the lesser of two evils if the greater evil is going to win.
 
There must be another agenda served for the L.A. Times to present the politics of the second amendment in a fairly balanced manner. I suspect there will be follow on articles favorable to Kerry emphasizing his strong postures on hunter's rights or something.
 
This article was posted on the FRONT PAGE :what: of yesterday's LA Times. Regardless of the valid points made in the article I don't buy even for a second that whoever wrote it and whoever printed it on the front page of arguably most liberal major newspaper in the nation had gunowners' interests and concerns in mind.
 
:scrutiny:

You are all correct. The agenda here is to disaffect gun owners from Bush and make them neutral or swing. The LA Slime would kiss Milton Friedman and Charleton Heston if that would defeat Bush.

:scrutiny:

Judging by some "principled" people, it is working.
 
Bart, you forgot to place Dubya's support of the AW ban in the Con side.

I didn't forget - it is right there as item #1 under CON:
(The pro, neutral, con is just how I see it, feel free to rearrange to suit your own judgements on those issues)

Believe me, nobody who so much as thinks about renewing the semi-auto ban is going to get a free pass from me on it.
 
I promise you that if Bush signs a new AWB or an extension, he will lose a huge number of gun-owner votes, including mine. I would not vote for Kerry, mind you - but I would know that we (gun-owners) really don't have any friends in politics.
 
The mission is to keep the anti-gun dems out of office. That is the only mission. We need the gun owners to vote a straight Republican ballot so we can keep the socialist out of the White House, keep the House and add to the Senate.

We had a lib in the White House for eight years. We have a moderate in for four. We can not allow a dem who is to the left of kennedy to occupy the White House.
 
I think that this article is probably some more LA Times politican gamesmanship.

But I also think that it is dead on about the relationship between Repubs and gun rights advocates.

I have said numerous times that I will not ever vote for another Democrat again because of what the Demos did under Clinton to take away my gun rights.

However, I have qualified that statement by saying that if it comes down to a choice between an anti-Dem and an anti-Repub, I'll vote NO or write in Mickey Mouse or go third party.

I liken my voting for Republicans to what Winston Churchill did to defeat Nazi Germany.

He allied with Joseph Stalin and the communists to beat the Nazis.

Churchill said he'd make an alliance with Satan and Hell itself if that's what it took to bring down Adolf Hitler's Germany.

That's my view on the modern Democrats. They must be defeated at all costs, even if that means voting for a Republican who is only slightly less evil.

hillbilly
 
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