Lab won't retrieve

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We've got a 5 month old yellow Lab. He is a great dog, but no matter what we do he won't retrieve. He has no interest in fetching a ball. He will sometimes run after it, and sometimes he just stands there looking confused or goes off in another direction to sniff. We even tried one of the rubber balls that has holes in it that you can stuff with treats. Even that didn't work.

We love this dog and he is as sweet as can be, but the fact that he shows no interest in retrieving is kind of disappointing. This is especially so considering the 9 year old Lab we recently lost to cancer was an amazing retriever. Is there anything we can do to get this dog on track, or do we need to just love him for what he is, a Labrador Non-Retriever?
 
Labrador Non-retriever

Trbon8r--Firstly, you certainly do have a rarity there! Normally Labs are so oral-oriented that they drag around stuff from little puppy on, and it's hard to deter them.

Two thoughts occur to me: (1) Did this pooch have some terrible experience while retrieving, or while just having an item in his mouth, at some point? (For example did he chomp a hot electric cord?) That might have overridden his natural hard-wiring. (2) I don't have a specific procedure to reccommend, but I know that retrieving CAN be taught. Get yrself a book or several--yr local public library might be a starting place--on training retrievers. A local breeder/trainer also might have suggestions. There's a radio show on Public Radio, on Saturday am's, called "Calling All Pets," hosted by a charming animal behaviorist named Patricia McConnell. She has had XLNT suggestions the couple of times I've called in.

It'll take time, and patience, and persistence. That much I do know.

Good luck to you and to the Lab. Pls give us a progress report!
 
If you have a buddy that has a retriever, ask to borrow the dog. I had a dog (Bailey) that just wouldn't retrieve, so I tied her up and grabbed her favorite toy. I took my other dog (Ebony) and played fetch with Bailey's favorite toy for about ten minutes, then quit for the day...did the same thing for four more days. Drove Bailey crazy to see Ebony playing with her toy! I let both dogs out and told both to sit. I let the toy loose, and Bailey didn't even give Ebony a chance she went after it so fast. Bailey went up to it and sniffed the toy, so I released Ebony... once Bailey saw Ebony comming for it, she picked it up, and ran right to me! She was great ever since. I find jealousy works wonders when it comes to dogs.
-Mike
 
Mike, great suggestion - you beat me to it. I'm no dog trainer, but I live in Louisiana, where there are hunting dogs all over the place: retrievers, hog dogs, deer dogs, etc. The standard, universal method used by owners to train new dogs is to let them take part in exercises with their trained dogs. After watching the trained dogs retrieve exercise items, track, etc., the new pups get the idea very quickly, and are soon romping along with the rest of them.
 
"...5 month old..." That'll do it. He's too young. The kind of stock he was bred from matters too. If he comes from a long line of pet/show stock as opposed to hunting stock, his hunting instincts may have been bred out of him. We had a Springer Spaniel, at home, that could only find her feed bowl. Came from show stock. That dog was dumber than a bag of hammers.
 
Thanks for the info. I think we will see if we can borrow another Lab that is already trained that can help show him the way.

To answer Sunray's question, this dog comes from hunting lines. Maybe he will turn on when he gets a little older. Thanks again! :)
 
Don't give up hope - there's more bred into dogs than we can ever train into them. My Brittany had never retreived - would just go and stand by his tennis ball. Took him hunting anyway -- First time a pheasant went up, (and went down) it all came into place - he took off after it, followed it over a hill, made a blind retreive and came back with a look on his face like "what am I doing?" but he brought it right back and put it at my feet...:D
Hang in there...
 
If he comes from a long line of pet/show stock as opposed to hunting stock, his hunting instincts may have been bred out of him. We had a Springer Spaniel, at home, that could only find her feed bowl. Came from show stock. That dog was dumber than a bag of hammers.

The membership of the American Kennel Club is going to Hell. Every single one of them.:barf:
 
I've got a pair of dogs, a 5 year old golden retriever and a 10 month old lab mix.

They will retrieve in the house or in the back yard, where the retrieve distance is short, but not at the park or elsewhere.

I'm not sure if it's distraction with other things around to entertain them, or what, but neither want to play fetch. It's really disheartening. We've tried sticks, frisbees, tennis balls, hard balls, soft balls, irregularly shaped balls...

Any suggestions?
 
azredhawk44-
Do you take them hunting??? If not, that always helps instinct kick in when they got it most of the way, like the short retrieves at the house.
-Mike
 
Not an expert, but have read a few books and trained my lab. Try this: Tie a rope to his chew toy. Tie another to his collar. Throw the toy across the room. When he clamps onto it, drag him and the toy back to you. Make a huge celebration out of it. Give him a treat. Lotsa petting and attaboys. Do this 2-3 times each session twice daily. No more. Gotta leave him wanting more. In about two weeks he'll probably go get it and bring it too you without being dragged. Hope that helps. Let us know how it goes. Do it sooner rather than later. They pick up loads while they're young.
 
Tie a rope to his chew toy. Tie another to his collar. Throw the toy across the room. When he clamps onto it, drag him and the toy back to you.

Whoa. There's a difference between using a shock-rope and "dragging" your dog back to you. I speak from experience. My springer learned to NOT retrieve due to one incidence of me dragging her back when she didn't come of her own volition. She learned in ONE SESSION that the big-red-rope means it's time to not do a thing, because someone will be hurting her neck. I'd hook her up...and she'd lay down. I could throw a dummy or a ball all day and that dog would not budge until I unhooked her.

Thankfully, she became a wonderful retriever of pheasants, ducks, rabbits, you name it. The trick is to encourage them to hone the instincts that are already there...

When the dog runs after the object, drop to your knees, or bend low. This is a "playful" posture in dog language, and encourages the dog to come back to you. Another tip is, when the dog gets tired and stops coming all the way back, end your session for the day. It always needs to be positive, and end positively, and you'll be amazed how quickly even a poor retriever will become a good one.

PS. I'm no expert either, but both of my dogs retrieve like champs.
 
I think my suggestion perhaps sounded more violent than intended. I started my pup in the den. I tied a thin quarter inch rope to his collar, not a 2 inch piece of hemp. He was about 8 feet away when I pulled he and the bumper back to me. Dragged was probably a rather strong word. It didn't take excessive force. The pup picked up the bumper each time and started walking off with it. It took a small amount of pressure to guide the dog back to me with the bumper until he got the concept. I agree that the training has to be positive. I used this method and my dog loves to hunt and retrieve also. Sorry the rope didn't work for you Birddog.
 
Think like a dog.

I know you're not new to dogs, but sometimes we forget to think like a dog when we train them. I have a lab but don't hunt birds. So I have a labrador squirrel retriever. This trick might work for you.

Take a scent absorbant toy, plush toys work good, and put it in a paper bag with part of an animal you want the dog to retrieve. I used squirrel skins. Maggie, my dog, wants to play with the toy, but as soon as she's not playing with me involved, it get put away. She's nine now, and still gets excited when she sees a tree rat in the back yard because she knows if she manages to bring it to me, much fun ensues.
 
Nope, they're not hunting dogs.

The 5 year old golden is my girlfriend's dog, and she's just kind of a "house" dog. She loves playing outside, swimming and other stuff, but not fetch.

The lab-mix pup is mine, and he's a holy terror. I had notions of training him for search and rescue, but "sit", "stay", "come", "lay down" and "wait" are turning out to be difficult enough. Indoors or on leash he's okay, but off leash he is his own man.:banghead:

At this point, I'd be completely happy with him if he'd just play fetch with a ball or frisbee. I can't ever see him being calm enough to sit in a duck blind, or walk quietly beside me in pursuit of quail or dove or pheasant or squirrel. He's a 70 pound nuclear bomb. Maybe in 3-4 years when some calm enters his blood...

DuckJihad:
I may try the long-leader on his collar and only giving him the option of coming back to me. I'll do that every night for the next couple weeks and see where that leaves me.

1911 guy:
We tried that... a frisbee that only gets brought out for fetch, a ball only for fetch. Didn't try scent on it though. I'll try with some beef broth on a tennis ball.

30-06 lover:
He's way too hyperactive to go hunting just yet, and the only game I put in for this year are Elk, Deer and Javelina. He's not going to retrieve the first two, and I don't want him mistaken for the 3rd by some other hunter. We can try some squirrel, I just need to drive to somewhere that has some of the little buggers.
 
He goes after it? He looks at it, and at you? and leaves? That sounds like doggy speak to me,, he just said "What's in it for me?"

Take the toy, I use a tennis ball. Cut a hot dog into ten or more pieces, tiny pieces, just a taste. Call him to you, and put the ball in his mouth, hold his mouth shut for a couple seconds, then release him and catch the ball with your other hand, continue the praise, while you hand him the treat. After a few times, I do not know how to tell you to judge when. Lay the ball on the floor by his feet, and have him pick it up and hand it to you, praise him and treat him. When he does that with regularity, roll the ball a little way, and have him fetch. Increase distance as he accepts it.
My personal preferences are never any longer than ten minutes at a time,,, but three times spread through the day are fine.

It may help if you think of him not as a dog, but as a little person in a fur coat. He will do things for you when you reward him with love , lots more eagerly than he will from fear.

Above all, listen to what his actions say, until you teach him to speak english.
 
ksnecktieman gave you some great advice. Thinking like the dog will help. One thing I've done to get the message with dogs who display this confusion: Starting from the point that retrievers all enjoy retrieving...it's either inherently "play" for them, or the reward they get makes the whole thing worth it to them. "What's in it for me?" is a great statement! They decide only "good for me/not good for me" or "fun/not fun."

A very basic question. Will your dog play? Will he tug on a rubber toy when it's in your hand? Something tells me this might be a good place to start. If they find out that you get involved with them and the toy, you're already starting to win. It's a two edged sword, though, a retriever should respond to an "out" command, and let go, but that's a later battle. Just find out if he "gets" the idea of playing. Yep, some dogs have to learn how to play!

If you get him interested in playing with objects, all you then have to do is toss it just a little distance...not even arm's length. If he picks it up, expecting to play, do it for just a second, then "trade" him a piece of hot dog, ala ksnecktieman's advice, using whatever your normal command for release might be, and you're off and running. Remember to never make a game of chasing him if/when he begins to show interest in toys...that's a hell you don't want to start!

Things I've seen cause this? Dogs who have things tossed at them to stop some negative behavior [those dumb-a** "boogie cans], or have had things thrown at them making contact. Dogs who started out life/puppyhood chasing anything that would interest them, and got yelled at or punished for it. Dogs who've been put on long leads, started running around and playing, and had the "death jerk" put on them when they got too far. [Some people use this as a training device for keeping dogs in the yard, but it backfires when a dog won't run "outbound."] Dogs who have chased things and hurt themselves...will remember that. And, in agreement with the others, some puppies just have to see the "real thing" to get it, or just grow up a little more.

Positive and relaxed is the way to go. Set the dog up to succeed, make small steps, keep your expectations very, very tiny. Reward only when you get what you want, but keep what you want small and doable by the puppy. It it's not working, back up to rewarding him for anything you can get him to do, thereby ending on a successful note.

"Making" him do anything with any other method than positive reinforcement may work, I suppose, but it will cause all sorts of problems later, in a whole array of areas you never intended.

*Late note* Another thing I've run into is a puppy who was "trained" by an older, more experienced retriever that he would never be able to get to the fetch object first. In other words, the puppy thinks, "why should I go after whatever that thing is? The "other dog" always gets to it first!" They give up when they have no chance. But, as some have suggested above, it is also possible that seeing another dog retrieve might put two and two together for him. Dogs are naturally competitive when it comes to toys and food and affection, sometimes it'll work with you, sometimes against you.
 
AZRed;
I had very good luck with my Lab,, completely obediant trained by 4 mo old, 15 min in the morning,, 15 min in the evening
You gotta remember to train them BEFORE you feed them, make a BIG fuss over them when they do right, always get down on one knee, and give them a piece of dry dog food. I always carried some in my pocket.
Have him sit with the leash on, while you walk a couple of steps away. When he stays, make a big fuss and give him a piece of food, if he don't, then don't.
Same way for staying,, or, for that matter any training.
I've only had a hard time training my dog to do one thing.
It took 45 min to teach her what a beer was, to open the refer door, pick up a beer and bring it to me,,, but , damn,, took 4 days to teach her how shut the damn refer door.
Borg
 
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