Large Folding Knives -- A Little Perspective

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Having recently begun carrying a large sodbuster, I have had occasion to explain it's "bigness" in relation to other commonly used knives.

I haven't had to justify it's "wickedness" or "aggressive" appearance, as there it just about no more pedestrian blade profile out there. But size has come up a time or two.

In explaining that it's not really that large, I've made the comparison to common paring knives, citing the fact that it was unlikely there was a knife in [his] kitchen with a blade any smaller.

So, a couple of nights ago, I set about documenting that comparison. It turns out I have one knife in my kitchen that's smaller than a large sodbuster, and not by much.

Here are a couple of the shots:

Top to bottom: 3"paring , 3.5" soddie, 3.75" picnic, 4" paring, 5" utility
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FWIW, everything but the soddie is Chinese in manufacture.

That little yellow-orange picnic knife is very similar to the Joyce Chen "My Handy Knife" except that the Joyce Chen knife (Japan) is way better made and costs $8 MSRP, while the little no-name (China) is cheap-cheap and is $3 MSRP (and $1 IRL).

The red-orange paring knife is an Australian design (RR Gusto) of somewhat higher quality, at $12.50 MSRP ($10 IRL). It's not bad, but I wish I were more impressed.


Arranged a little differently:
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(You'll notice that I cleverly left out the slicers, carvers, chef's knives, and a little knife that got its start as a stand-in for the movie Psycho. No point in going overboard.)


It's interesting how context changes the perception. In the kitchen, 3.5 or 4 inches is simply not noteworthy. In a pocket, that same blade is "huge."

Some of it, to be sure, is the business of the handle having to be slightly longer than the blade on any folder, contributing to an overall verdict of "big," but it seems to me that context plays a larger part.

Also of interest is the difference a yellow handle makes. Hard to say "cute" of a large folder but, when asked about it, I usually just say it's "for safety" and that "visibility never hurts when it comes to farm tools."

So far, 100% of those with whom I've had any discussion had no idea what "sod buster" meant. "Y'see, it's a design that's been used on farms and ranches for more than a hundred years. I guess I'm just old fashioned. Heck, if John Deere made a car, I'd probably drive it."

And no, I'm not likely to start wearing bib overalls. At least not this month.

I think the Kershaw in my other pocket might take offense.

:D
 
It's interesting how context changes the perception.

Indeed! I was misled by the tape measure not being used starting at zero inches. That, and I had to look over it a few times to realize you were comparing them by length of cutting edge, which is not blade length, which is not overall length.

Now, the bib overalls bit is just people having to reconcile the idea that you think of things differently with the idea that your viewpoint is just as legitimate - that if you come to a different conclusion, either you or they must be less educated (the modern, PC way of saying "not as bright").

Not to say I'd be caught dead in bib overalls. Why is it people find your refusing to submit to life's paltry inconveniences so threatening? And why must it then be coupled with a perceived lack of fashion sense?

Just don't start raggin on flannel, arf, or we're gonna have to step outside :cool:
 
I was born on a farm, no body carried a "sodbuster". Dad carried a Case Trapper when I was a kid but has had a mid sized stockman in his front pocket same as me for decades.
IIRC the stockman was the #1 pocket/carry knife in America 50 to 75 years till just recently when all this "tactical" stuff came into being.

For the kitchen it's hard to beat Forchner products, and reasonably priced at places such as Smokey Mtn. although our kitchen has a rather large assortment of brands. We even have a gensu (SP) the wife had when I met her, to my personal favorite a 5" Case brand, hollow ground, thin bladed carbon steel boning knife I bought new in a old hardware store in the early 70's.

You keep talking this "sodbuster" knife thing and I may just end up buying me one but for everyday carry a Buck or Case midsized Stockman is hard to beat. Not that some other brands aren't good stuff too, and Buck's sure ain't what they usta be.
I think nowadays with all this "tactical' mindset that sort of knife may be taking a lead over the practicability of a two or three blade folder. I am enjoying these "sodbuster' threads.
 
That 3" chicago cutlery paring knife is actually what I carry as my offside rear pocket knife. Sharpens up beautifully, but I did stipple the handle for extra grippiness. Made a sheath for it and it has proven to be the "perfect" knife for me.
 
Sodbuster Lock?

No.

Case used to make a locking version of their large sodbuster, and I nearly bought one recently. Had an odd sort of liner lock.

Generally, the sodbusters have a really good, stiff backspring. If you're not doing something silly with one (like trying to use it for an ice pick or a drill), there's little risk of having it close on you.

I didn't get my first locking knife until 1982. For the previous 21 years, all my folders had been SAK and slipjoints.

Most of the folders I've bought in the ensuing 26 years have been locking knives.

Until recently. Steve happened to mention in passing one day that people have come to rely on the locks more than is healthy, forgetting that safety is between the ears.

That remark knocked over a number of mental dominoes, and in the last six months I've been exploring an old frontier new again.

So, no, most of the sodbusters of my acquaintance don't have a lock.

Awfully useful knife nonetheless.

Wait till I get my hands on a Peanut.

I'll probably turn into a bloomin' poet.
 
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Got a picture of that sheath Hiwayman? I picked up one of those the other day, thinking it'd be good to keep in my hip pocket. Figured on making a wallet type sheath for it.

As for a 3.5'' soddy being large, you should show them an Opinel 12 -- I'd guess the big Cold Steel folders would give them a stroke :D
 
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I carry an old hickory paring knife in my back pocket all the time. I took a 6"x6" piece of leather folded 2" over put 3 rivits along the bottom of the folded over piece and 4 up the long way so you have a 4" wide by 6" tall piece of leather with a narrow pocket now put the knife you plan on carrying in in the pocket with the knife in the sheath you can figure out where to put two or three more rivits that snug up the fit make sure the point is protected on some knives you may have to put an other rivit in the bottom this sheath stays upright in a back pocket and a kitchin knife doesn't seem to alarm the sheeople
Roy
 
Funny You Should Mention

That Queen 2-blade you show there . . .

My wife bought me a Case 6265 two-blade folding hunter at Cabelas two days ago.
Seen here with one of my Buck 110s
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Same basic design.

I finally met one of those up close about a month ago, and decided that was a cool pattern.

One heavy-duty blade for camp and hunting use, and one plain-jane blade suitable for camp kitchen and similar tasks.

Very nice.

(See below for more pix)
 
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Arf,

Great thread and good points brought up, the picture is really useful.

As Society as become more civilized, they have in essence become less tool users.

Think about that.
In days gone by, folks used tools, knowing a tool was only as good as the user of said tool.
So "fit" (yep, I went there) was known to be important.
Fit to hands, fingers , tasks and what a person did with a tool.

This determined, or shall I say influenced what manufacturers produced for consumers.

A hundred years or more has gone by and some things are proven, and world over.

Sodbuster is akin to a Opinel, just a single blade , "working persons" knife.
All over the world, and going back in history a "Sod buster" type knife has been used.

Folders and Fixed, some traditional patterns are proven, world over and have been going way back in history.

Stockmans were brought up, and these are proven and still used by folks that really use a knife, really depend on one, and some of these folks are out and about for long periods of time.

3 blades - Clip, Spey and Sheepsfoot, affording one to do various tasks "better" , and often times each blade is sharpened different (angles and how sharp).

Two other knives were popular in my locale, and still are, the Sodbuster ( both regular and Junior) and Trapper ( full size , mini-trapper with two blades and my favorite, the Barehead Slimline Trapper).

These 3 knives are workhorses, proven, and have enough purchase on handles to fit hands, and be used with gloves, and the blade to handle ratio works.
Stockman, with its spey and sheepfoot, allows one to get hands down closer to blade for more control.

For me, and how raised, folks had one of these 3 knives, and a smaller folder, such as the Peanut.

Kitchens...
It is not uncommon to find farmers, rancher and the like, to cook in the field, meaning cleaning game, fish or prepping vegetables or fruit.

Sodbusters work as does the Stockman and Trapper.

Fixed knives, such as Case Bird and Trout, Old Hickory Paring knives were /are used in the field too.

They work in home kitchen as well.

Civilized folks are influenced by Mfgs often times these days, as they don't really use tools as folks did in yesteryear, or currently farmers, ranchers, and the like.

Yes I know some laws enacted affect this, still...

Timber workers for instance, now they are out for extended periods, a bit like campers and hikers.
Weight is a concern, and Sodbusters, Stockmans and Trappers are proven.
Real deal ladies and gents, marking timber, and with more demands in some respects than hikers or campers.

Slimline Trapper, my favorite, was and is a popular Timber marking knife due to weight and ease of carry.
Sodbuster Jr, and Med Stockmans are too.

Some, carry a small fixed, most want that knife in the pocket, where it cannot be lost.

I like Stockmans and Soddies, just I run with Slimline Trappers and Peanuts.
I "are" old, and have been with these two knives since I was a brat.
Really.
 
Stockmans were brought up, and these are proven and still used by folks that really use a knife, really depend on one, and some of these folks are out and about for long periods of time.


My favorite pattern. I have gone back to slipjoints myself, for the past week this has been the only knife in my pocket. That watch pocket on jeans is really made for a medium stockman :)

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Slimline Trapper, my favorite,

I have a Schrade Old Timer 194OT (US made) on its way. When it gets here it will reside in my left pocket.
 
Todd A,

What a neat old Kabar!
That 194OT is another great knife!


<hand to ear>
Ya'll hear that?

That is the sound of the tactical folks getting a case of Sweat-n-Shakes reading and seeing these old traditional pocket knives. *grin*


We got 'em where we want him folks, lets keep going at 'em hard and fast!

*snicker*

Head 'em up - move 'em out! Rawhide!
 
Large 2-Blade Hunters

A few more pix of that large Case 6265 with the Buck 110.

(Yes, the Case is about .25 inches longer, closed and in the blade.)

Tang stamps
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Side-by-side for size comparison
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Posing for the camera
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Both blades open
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Flip side
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The picture I didn't take is the large sodbuster with the Buck 110 -- the Buck is a tiny fraction, maybe a sixteenth, longer than the sodbuster.

I guess I should shoot that comparison, too.
 
Rescued Schrade 225H from a garage sale. Cool old knife I like it It had been used plenty but don't think it has ever met a stone, guess I otta sharpen her up.

A Buck 307 bought in Big Bear Lake CA. about 1980 and carried in my front pocket several years. To long for a everyday carry and kept wearing holes in my jeans, so I retired it.

Buck 703's have been my primary carry knife a long time now, but am strongly contemplating returning to a Case stockman which is what I carried in the 60/70's. To bad Buck stopped making the 700 series knives.
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Folding hunters are a great old knife pattern but I fear lack the strength to split a deer or young elks brisket, and even though you can't trust lockblades completely, I do like a strong lock or fixed blade working on critters in the field.
Over the years I have carried or used a a rather large variety of knife patterns and find nothing is better suited for my front pocket to cover everyday situations over the common old 3 blade stockman.
 
Well seeing how sm likes peanuts....

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Not a true peanut,its a swell end jack (a peanut is a serpentine),it is only 3",the max size of a peanut.

eliphalet,

I like that 225..a Schrade hunter is on my short list. Preferably an Old Timer.
 
Arf,

Great pics and great comparisons.

Fixed blades are proven, no doubt, just sometimes portability is not as ideal.
Add "risk for falls" ( hurting one's self with a really large fixed blade) or even loss of a fixed from a poorly designed sheath.

Big Folders allow for a more portable means of a big knife.
Being smaller offers options to make more secure ( in one's pocket) and less risk for injury if one falls atop knife.

eliphalet,
Nice collection of knives with character and soul.

Todd A,

Thanks for the mention and picture.
Another neat old Kabar, and even though not a "true" Peanut, that size and config, like the Peanut, goes way back in history as a proven tool.


JShirley and hso are weakening, I can tell, just a little bit more pressure and and John will be sharing a pic of a Case Stockman, hso a Peanut and his wonderful daughter ( who really has all the nice knives in the family) her Big Folders.

I just know Bug has a big folder in Purple, I just know it. *grin*
 
Just one more and I'll stop.

A little something for the tactical black crowd....Schrade USA 24OTX

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Very true that a 4"+ blade on a folder seems huge. But I've adjusted nicely to carrying a Rukus daily.
 
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