Lasers that arent junk

[RustyShackelford]

use of lasersights on carry/duty weapons...

I'd say the use of lasergrips or any green/red laser on a duty weapon is really meant for certain limited conditions. Holding subjects at gunpoint, IDing a target, aiming, etc. A bad guy/criminal could see or maybe able to know your location depending on several factors but I'd rather risk that small chance for the benefits of using a lasersight in a real CQB incident.
These events are very very fast and to think your laser will be seen is really not as important as a fast accurate shot, .

As many weapons/tactics instructors say;

"Speed's fine, but accuracy is final."

 

[ultradoc]

I have the Crimson Trace laser sights and they are expensive but I am happy with them.

 

[Disaster]

Have someone point a laser in your general direction and you will see that even your peripheral vision picks up up immediately from hundreds of yards away. I honestly could not think of an easier target to see in low light than the source of a laser.

Maybe that would make a difference with two snipers, aiming at each other from cover, but it has very little relevance in a typical handgun confrontation.

A handgun confrontation will be quick and close. Whoever can hit more accurately and quicker will have the advantage. A laser is a huge advantage in quick target acquisition...especially in low light.

Short of learning how to effectively point shoot...which some people will never do, and which requires lots and lots of practice, a laser is the best way to beat your opponent to the target. This is one of the reason you don't see them allowed in competitions. If they were allowed, you'd see everyone using them.

The other neat thing about lasers is they are a great teaching tool. They are very effective at showing muzzle movement when dry firing. They are effective at training you to point shoot. Point at target...press on laser...adjust to center...rinse and repeat. Soon you will find when you turn on that laser you are on the target....and it didn't take thousands and thousands of rounds of ammo to get there.

As far as what you get for the price, decent lasers are expensive. I have a $80 laser on one gun that is adequate, but the first one's switch failed and the second one's cover keeps walking off. The Crimson Trace has been perfect...but it should be, at the same cost as an inexpensive handgun!

 

[Cannonball888]

Lesson learned: Lasers that aren't junk cost more than 20-30 dollars.

 

[A/C Guy]

You can't get quality lasers for $30

does anyone have a good quality laser that will stand up to .45acp recoil?
any brands or models you recomend?

also, this laser has to be pistol rail type, no internal lasermax, no lasergrips.

Streamlight has a lifetime warranty on their rail mounted lasers. You only get what you pay for.

For $30, you get junk that breaks. Quality costs $$$$

 

[Kayback]

I have a set of slightly older Crimson Trace grips for my 1911, and it's fired hundreds of rounds.

It is a fairly niche accessory, but I want it for those thimes it will work. Especially when you factor in the times and places most SD shootings will occur. I've set mine up so it is slightly above my front sight, so I can see my irons and my laser if I'm shooting properly.

10 meters rapid


This was one weekends shootings. It's +/- 160 rounds fired with the CTC. There was another 120is fired with the Aimpoint, which was the Aimpoints only outing ever. The grip mounted rail should have been on the left hand side, it interferred with ejection.


I can't even tell you how many rounds my laser has fired and it is still going strong. It also holds it's zero perfectly when you remove the grips. Mine gets a new set of grips of every time I feel like it, but it gets carried with the CTC's.

KBK

 

[coda323]

I finally got my Wilson and I was surprised when they also packaged a set of crimson trace laser grips. What kind of grip can I expect from these things? I can get the sweatiest hands and I would rather not sacrifice any control.
thanks.

 

[R&J]

I Prefer LaserMax!

I like Crimson Trace for revolvers and 1911's, but not for Glocks. We currently own only Glock pistols--a G17, G19 & G21.

I've had excellent service from the LaserMax guide rod laser in my G21, as Judy has with the same type LaserMax in her G19. We're talking thousands of rounds on both guns. The laser is convenient, accurate, and durable.

I'm presently putting a new LMS-UNI-G (UNI-GREEN) through its paces. The green laser dot is visible in broad daylight, and appears many times brighter than red under all conditions. The beam is not traceable inside my home, day or night, but it is traceable outdoors, in the evening air, as it illuminates suspended particles.

The UNI-GREEN is a clever design, as it can be used on multiple weapons, and has an integral light rail of its own. Pretty slick! The whole rig, with batteries, weighs an ounce! Because of its ability to be mounted multiple weapons, the UNI-GREEN and UNI-MAX have fully sdjustable windage and elevation.

*****

Think about it. There's two ways to collimate a laser designator...

1) Sweet Spot: The laser is set to converge with the bullet at a distance predetermined by the shooter--the sweet spot. The laser will be offset (POA) more or less, inside or outside the sweet spot (POI). This is the only way to set up the laser/light combos, where the laser emitter is far from the bore axis.

2) Parallel Beam or Offset: If the laser sits close to the bore axis, it is set up to run parallel to the bullet's path, out to practical pistol ranges. The offset--say it's a half inch--is a known value, and is ignored or compensated for by the shooter. This is how the LaserMax guide rod lasers are set up, since the laser emitter is so close to the bore axis.

Both approaches work.

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LaserMax Makes Five Laser Models For Handguns:

I'm not employed by, nor do I represent LaserMax. But I have owned two of their guide rod lasers for better than two years, and am very pleased with them.

Since I'm a bit of a geek, I've kept abreast of what LaserMax has been up to. I'm presently breaking in a new UNI-GREEN, green-beam laser.

Currently, LaserMax offers five laser designators for handgunners to consider:

1) LaserMax Internal Guide Rod Laser: One for nearly every Glock pistol made, many 1911's, and the popular XD series, LaserMax replaces your gun's OEM guide rod, offering a completely inboard laser designator that has zero impact on gun ergonomics. It works perfectly with most holsters, and does not require an accessory rail. Mounted very close to the gun's bore axis, collimation is unnecessary.

2) Uni-Max Rail-Mounted Laser: Slips directly onto your Glock's accessory rail, and with an integral rail of its own, still allows the mounting of almost any weapon light. Uni-Max can be used on multiple weapons, including rifles and shotguns.

3) Uni-Green, Uni-Max Green Laser: Similar to the standard Uni-Max, but with an ultra bright green laser that can be used in broad daylight. For those wishing a day and night laser designator on the same platform,
Uni-Green is an excellent accompaniment to either of the above lasers,

4) Sabre: The latest laser designator from LaserMax, is a frame-mouted beaver tail-style, grip-activated laser for Glock pistols. Featuring a master on and off switch, Sabre holds zero with each battery change.

5) J-Max: For J-frame S&W wheel guns! The laser emitter, while clear of your index finger, is aligned closely to the gun's bore axis, and accepts most any holster.

I know that at least one or two of these models is offered in infrared, to LEOs and military...

You can surf the net for your best price, but availability changes daily. While they're not among the cheaper lasers out there, a new LaserMax UNI-MAX can be had for well under $200.00 delivered.

https://www.lasermax.com/cat_info.php?id=114

--Ray