late season elk hunt Pics and story

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Well hunting season started off with a bang this year and kept right on rolling through out the whole deal. As promised I kept my vow to use only a .30-06 in honor of the passing of Col. Jeff Cooper this year. As I posted earlier I shot a nice whitetail buck during the early rifle plains season.

I had a late season elk tag and was also successful in taking a fat young cow elk also with the .30-06.

I was using my kimber M-8400 classic shooting 180gr Barnes TSX bullets @ a nominal; 2750 FPS.

Late season elk started off with a major blizzard and the closing of I-70. So we were delayed a day in getting over the passes from the front range to the western slope.

We arrived late on the afternoon of the first day of the season. After setting up camp we took a quick spin around the area and found a group of 8 cows about 850 yards and over 1500 vertical feet up the side of a canyon. Being full of piss and first day vinegar we put a stalk on them and ran out of day light before we could close to a reasonable distance.

The second day started out with a major climb up some steep and deep terrain. We got going about an hour before daylight in the frosty sub zero temperatures. It didn’t take long before I was shedding layers as my body was producing plenty of heat on the 45 to 60 degree inclines we decided to attack in search of fresh elk protein and general excitement.

As daylight was breaking and the world was coming alive my hunting buddy Tim and I split, he took the high road and I started side hilling about 100 yards below him. It wasn’t 15 minutes after we separated that I came to an open avalanche chute.

Just to the far side of the chute almost into the trees a small group of cows was standing intently staring back into the timber on the opposite side of the chute. They were staring back at Tim who was still in the thick timber and making some noise as he was trying to break out.

I laid my pack in the snow and got a solid prone hold on the largest cow. I waited to see if Tim would pop out in time to get a shot. As Tim continued to trash about in the timber still unaware that there was a group of elk ahead I knew that this game was just about up.

The elk nearest the timber started to filter into the foliage. I had just moments to get the job done so I went ahead and squeezed the trigger sending a 180gr TSX low and tight behind the near shoulder, hitting the heart and exiting just behind the point of the off shoulder.

The elk lurched at the shot tried to make the timber line in three or four wobbly steps then fell over backwards and began an epic slide down the snow covered chute.

She was 238 yards up the hill when I fired. The now prostrate cow rapidly began to take on the frictional coefficient of a bob sled as she rapidly began gaining speed down the steep, barren , snow covered slope.

Notice the snow dust on the top of the elk, that was dust from the slide.
Also notice the exit wound on the shoulder.

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The whole time I am laying in my prone position watching the drama unfold. The 400LB+ animal momentarily disappears from sight as she makes a bend I am figuring she must have got hung up and stopped. Just about that time she came around the corner and had picked up considerable speed. And the is on what appears to be a direct collision course with my still prone body and enlightened spirit.

Well momma didn’t raise no fool. I jumped to my feet and started making side hill tracks as fast my oxygen starved flat land body could carry me. I watch as the gold medal luge like elk slides past me at freight train velocity and continues down into the oak shinnery crashing to a stop with a loud cracking of branches.

Turns out she would have missed me by about 3 feet if I’d the guts to remain in my nest. Color me yellow but it sure looked like eminent death from my view.;)

Looking at this picture you can see a dead tree on the sky line. The elk was standing just to the right of that dead pine. You can also see the slide trail next to foot prints. That was her kamakazi path down the hill

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In any case it sure made the drag down to the trail easy. Sometimes gravity is your friend when elk hunting. I’ve heard of air time before but this is a new category in hunting . Major slide time dude. :D

The rest of the hunt was uneventful as in we didn’t even see another legal elk for the rest of the trip. Tim went home empty handed. But little did he know the hunting gods were smiling on him in a big way.:)

Read about Tim’s big score on the Tim’s buck thread coming to post near you very soon!
 
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Very good ! Interesting story.The 30-06 has proven itself for 100 years so it joins the ranks of the 'oldies but goodies' !!
 
Damned good shot, great pics, and a hell of a good story. :cool:

3 or 4 years ago we were hunting whitetail up in West Virginia and got a pretty heavy snowfall (maybe 6 inches - heavy for that part of the world) on the last day of the season. We were all out trudging up and down the mountains, generally freezing our butts off, and about mid-morning my Dad decided he'd had enough of this nonsense. Nobody'd seen anything anyway, so he was going to head back to the vehicles and leave the slipping and sliding to us young pups.

So about an hour and a half later Dad's sitting in the front of my Jeep drinking coffee and warming his tootsies, when he looks up the hill and sees a buck walking around the ridgeline right above him - maybe 100 yards up the mountainside. He put down his coffee, got out of the Jeep, picked up his rifle and drilled the buck with one perfect shot. The deer rolled, and then slid, and then rolled some more, and then slid a bit, and finally came to stop (I swear this is true) about 4 feet from the front bumper.

Then Dad sat back down and finished his coffee. :cool:
 
Hmm. . . I always seem to have to lug my game back uphill to the rig, never down. Of course, it's usually H&H that's helping me drag it, so I guess I can't complain.

I did once shoot a mallard that fell right into the blind, so maybe that ought to count. On the other hand, it hit me in the head from 40 yards straight up and knocked me flat out, dumping me in the 8 inches of ice water in the bottom of the blind, so maybe that one doesn't count either. :eek:
 
Hilarious. Congratulations. Reminds me of the time a merganser my partner had shot landed on me in a blind from a height of about forty yards. Ouch.

What are your thoughts on the TSX's performance? Any other elk killed with it and the '06 in your hunting circles?
 
I killed my elk last year with the TSX I killed my deer and elk with it this year and I've killed probably somewhere around 40 or 50 hogs with various TSX's.

I can honestly say without reservation that the Barnes TSX is the most serious no B.S. hunting bullet ever made. Accuracy is phenomenal they have awesome flight characteristics and they hit like a lightening bolt.

I've been hunting big game a long time and I've hunted lots of different animals from elephant to rabbits. This is the most impressive hunting bullet I've ever used.

The TSX retains weight and it penetrates straight line and deep and when it opens up it transmits bullet energy like a demon dog on crack.

I shoot the TSX in my .308Win, .30-06, .358Win, .375H&H, .470NE and soon in my .404 Jeffery. I simply haven't found a more consistent bullet in regards to accuracy and killing ability at all velocity spectrums than a TSX.

The onlly complaints I've heard about the TSX have been on the Internut. My experiences with them are 100% fantastic.
 
Not to drift too far from your bobsledding wapiti...

Do those TSXs like a high initial velocity? Reason I ask- my elk round is the 9.3x62 and the 9.3mm 250 grain TSX looks really appealing. However, 9,3x62 muzzle velocities are pretty sedate- I might get 2600 fps- and I worry this might not leave enough residual velocity to initiate expansion downrange.

Also, how consistent have the TSXs been for you? I hear grumblings occassionally that Barnes QC isn't what is could be. Lot-to-lot and box-to-box have you noticed any variations?
 
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buzz - According an email or two from the guys at Barnes, they design the bullets for reliable expansion down to 1800fps for most bullets. Some might go a bit lower if they know most people shooting that caliber won't be pushing them very fast (e.g. 45/70 and .30/30). For your 9.3mm I'd expect that 1800fps impact velocities might be a good limitation. Starting at 2600fps you should be good out to 400+yards according to Point Blank.

I've not used the TSX myself, though I have used the XLC's. I've not had QC problems, but then I've only bought 3 or 4 boxes worth so far anyway.
 
My primary hunting rifles are a .30-06 using a 180Gr TSX @ about 2750 FPS and a .375H&H using a 270Gr TSX @ about 2650 FPS.

The .375 using the 270 is almost identical in velocity and BC to your 9.3 using a 250. It simply isn't a problem. I've found the TSX to open reliably at lower velocity as well.

As far as QC I've never had a problem with any Barnes bullets. As I've mentioned I've killed somewhere around 50 head of game with the TSX in various configurations all have preformed spectacularly. I've also killed multiple hundred head of game with standard Barnes bullets and have never had a problem with one. I should think that that is a fairly high level of sample rate and it's been flawless. This bullet just works PERIOD.

The two common internut complaints I hear about the Barnes are.

1. "They are not accurate in my gun." I've never seen a triple shock that won't shoot in any gun. In fact both my .375H&h and my .30-06 will shoot them into under 1/2" with boring regularity. My .375 will do better than that most of the time. They are the most consistently accurate hunting bullet I’ve ever used.

If somebody is having an accuracy problem with a Barnes it's generally one of three things. First they haven't gotten the old copper fouling out of their barrel. Barnes do not like dissimilar metals in a bore. Although I haven't found this to be a problem with the TSX. Second they haven't properly seated the bullet into the case The Barnes needs to be seated further o0ut than most bullet to achieve .005 off the lands as it has a very long skinny ogive. And third is a rifle or scope problem or quite simply a shooter problem. I can't tell you how many times I've solved an accuracy problem by simply shooting the gun.;)

2. "Those Barnes just pencil through without opening." They made me loose my critter. Well this is a fairly common complaint on the internut BUT in almost every case if you really start to dig through the layers you'll find that our gallant hunter wasn't really sure where he hit his critter in the first place. Good bullet design will not overcome poor shooting EVER.

I've never seen a Barnes fail to open with my own two eyes. What i have seen is a Barnes break off all of the petal and become a blunt nosed solid. Which I really don't have a problem with for two reasons. A blunt nosed solid is a straight line penetrating SOB and it a very deadly bullet in it's own right. Two there had to be a major expansion and energy dumping event inside the critter to have produced enough force to blow the petal off in the first place.

I have seen a picture of a Barnes that hit a branch before entering a critter. it entered sideways and only partially opened up. I don't consider that bullet failure. there isn't a bullet on the market that can with stand an obstacle before hitting a critter and still give reliable performance.

I've also seen a picture of one that supposedly hit major bone in a large critter and didn't open because the nose crumpled on one side. But it still went though the animal killing it.

as far as poor QC in literally thousands of rounds reloaded I've not had a single solitary problem yet. ...(looking for wood to knock on!;) )

Jeeze ask a simple question and what do you get.......:D
 
Excellent. Looks cold. I think I'd have saddled that beeoch and rode it out of there to find a heater. :D Lotsa meat on that thing.:what: Excellent shot!

I shoot the Barnes X 140 grain boat tail in my .308 and my .30-30 contender. It opens even at .30-30 velocities out of a 12 inch barrel and is VERY accurate in both guns. I reserve it for hogs due to it's superior penetration.
 
Great job. I am glad that we didn't read in the newspaper about an elk and hunter collision high up on a snowy mountain.
 
Thanks, H&H. I'm on the fence about keeping my 9.3x62 because with the 286 Partition I have favored, its trajectory is a challenge in the field (14" low at 300 and much, much worse after that). However, one of the factors that may push towards keeping it is the 250 grain TSX. At 2600-ish, the 9.3's trajectory could resemble more closely Old Faithful- the 180 grain .30 caliber slug at 2700-ish.
 
Excellent. Looks cold. I think I'd have saddled that beeoch and rode it out of there to find a heater.

MCgunner,

It was COLD it dropped to -double digits every night and then warmed up to a balmy 10 to 15 Deg F during the day. next time I will try and ride the beast down the hill. Now there is a trophy quest of worthy proportions. :D


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I am glad that we didn't read in the newspaper about an elk and hunter collision high up on a snowy mountain.

I can just see the headlines on that one. "EXTRA read all about it, hunter killed by sliding elk." Democrats demand stricter controls on slope gradient in hunting country and push for more stringent regulations on deadly elk sliding hunting rifles. PETA award elk with grand SLAM award!:D :D

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Buzz,

The 9.3 is great round. Maybe one of the most overlooked elk, moose and bear rounds in the US. I'd hang on to it and forget the bad stuff you read about Barnes on the net. Most of it simply isn't true. Most of it just boils down to the ole Ford VS Chevy thing.

H&H.
 
buzz - If'n you decide to rid yourself of that pesky 9.3 let me know. Is it a CZ? I've been wanting a 9.3mm CZ for a while now.
 
H&H- no denying the greatness of the 9.3mm bore. If I get rid of the rifle it is not because of the round or the rifle itself. Rather, I have a serious .338 jones right now. It's irrational but then if we were rational we would all own one .30-06 and call it good.

sumpnz- check your PM.
 
Buzz,

The .338 is a great round. You are preaching to the choir on that gun nut thing.:D

I am in full understanding of your current situation.;)
 
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