Lawyer Proof

[Dot_mdb]

I was just reviewing one of the Taurus online manuals and found the following three warnings that came one after the other:

WARNING

Securing your firearm may inhibit access to it in a defense situation and result in injury or death.

WARNING

To prevent injury or death, it is imperative that you must keep your gun unloaded, uncocked and securely locked, with ammunition in a separate location. In addition, take any other reasonable steps to limit the possibility of theft, accident, or suicide.

WARNING

Failure to properly secure a firearm may result in injury or death.


Sooooooooooooooo. . . . .What do you know? SECURING your firearm and NOT SECURING your firearm may result in injury or death. :banghead:

http://www.taurususa.com/pdf/revolver_manual.pdf


OH, and then there is this warning:

WARNING: Always empty firearms before entering a place where there are people.

The lawyers are turning us into imbeciles.

Bill

 

[deleteall]

The lawyers are turning us into imbeciles.

Nope, it's your fellow citizens that are serving on juries.

 

[4v50 Gary]

Warning: Removal of gun from box may result in TEOTWAWKI.

Product liability law has gone too far and we are seriously in need of tort reform.

 

[E=MC^2]

...and we are seriously in need of tort reform.

I agree.

 

[Hedger]

Lawyers!

Lawyers aren't turning us into imbeciles... they just help the inner imbecile in you get out

Tort reform is needed in most states, particularly by eliminating or strictly limiting "inadequate warning" causes of action. If the laws are changed, these cases don't get to a jury.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

Lawyers are the scapegoat, but the real problem with product liability is that Americans have lost their sense of personal responsibility for their own actions.

Its always someone elses fault.

Additionally, many people see no wrong in taking money from a big company whether they deserve it or not.

Lawyers simply empower people do these things.

 

[Waitone]

Signing on for a class action lawsuit is no different than buying a lotto ticket.

 

[surfinUSA]

Lone gunman is right on the money about personal responsability. Waitone, the only people that make money on a class action is the lawyers.

As far as the Taurus conflicting safety warnings go, I think any good lawyer could get the representative from Taurus on the stand and get him or her to admit that based on the warnings in the manual there is no safe manner to possess this firearm. Thereby defeating one purpose for printing them in the first place (to help Taurus avoid liability).

 

[MagKnightX]

I recall hearing a label on a chainsaw: WARNING: Do not attempt to stop chain with hands or genitals!

Story behind every one...

 

[Highland Ranger]

Seems to me that you can't tell me that it's unsafe loaded and unloaded and protect yourself from a lawsuit.

"I tried to read the manual your honor but it was confusing."

 

[JNewell]

Americans have lost their sense of personal responsibility for their own actions.

Its always someone elses fault.

I cannot possibly say how strongly I agree with what you have said, or how much it grieves me that it is true.

Are we victims? Paah. Stand up. Do your best. And do not go gently into that good night, rage, rage, against the dying of the light.

I guess if I were not a parent it would bother me less...

 

[7.62FullMetalJacket]

Dot_mdb,

E-mail your issue to Taurus with the specific references. I would be intersted in the reply. If necessary, we need to look out for the manufacturers even if their legal dept. is asleep. We all pay when they lose in court.

I agree that the manufacturer cannot have it both ways. To state both is to state that the firearm is ALWAYS dangerous. And any mail-order lawyer could beat that in court without showing up.

I would put the onus on the owner of the firearm:

"Some local and state laws require that the firearm be secured when not in use. You, the owner of this firearm, must read and folllow this instruction manual, read and understand local, state and federal laws that may apply to firearm storage requirements, evaluate your specific security needs, and act accordingly."

 

[SouthpawShootr]

Big problem with e-mailing Taurus is that I've never been able to find an e-mail address for them. At any rate, e-mailing would likely do as much good as e-mailing H&K or Beretta. You might as well put your message in a bottle and toss it in the ocean.

 

[Chip Dixon]

warnings on guns

I was looking through the S&W 2004 catalog, and on the new 1911s it says "CAUTION - CAPABLE OF FIRING WITH MAGAZINE REMOVED" right on the frame of the gun.

 

[another okie]

No such thing as lawyer proof. The warnings on a product have been used as evidence that the maker knew the product could be used in a dangerous way and failed to modify the product to prevent that use.