LE training - Who are the experts?

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This question is for you LEOs out there and anyone else who knows about law enforcement firearms training:

Who are the respected writers and experts in this field, currently?

I'm planning some research on LE firearms training, and I'm curious who to read for authoritative, generally highly respected information.

Can anyone recommend any authors or authorities?

Thanks.

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First, you need the ABCs of police and law enforcement survival. Buy the Tactical Edge, Street Survival and Tactics for Criminal Patrol. It’s a 3 book series and this is probably the ground work for most typical police training today. They’ve been around a long time and have earned a great reputation.

Then buy Handgun Combatives by Dave Spaulding. Generally I don’t recommend books written by gun rag aficionados, but Mr. Spaulding really nails the nuts and bolts of gun selection, mindset, etc. in a small book. Or you could scour a lot of the classics by Col. Cooper and decide what is still applicable in today’s world. Personally, I’d save the time and buy Dave’s book.

Next, Masaad Ayoob is one of the foremost legal experts in deadly force encounters. I recommend his material if for no other reason than the “legal” aspect of use of force everyone packing a gun should know. I’ve never used his stuff for “tactics” per se, but he is one of the better respected in that regard as well.

Clint Smith of Thunder Ranch fame, I have mixed opinions on this guy. Everyone our department sent to TR came back with some pretty silly notions in tactics that I personally and professionally do not agree with. Could be our officers, could be what Clint taught, I have no idea. I found the material in the Tactical Edge to be much sounder.

Then there is TacPro. I’ve heard a lot of great things about this place, though I’ve never personally been there. I do agree with the shoot and scoot method of walking and firing that is taught there vs. the “crab walk” taught at other places. Which demonstrates to me that at least that particular tactic was well thought out.

Lastly FLETC is a great place to get training materials. They haven’t been shy with providing materials to my dept.

BTW…if you are not a sworn LEO, you will have difficulty getting your hands on some of this material, and rightfully so. If you are not a LEO, buy Dave Spaulding’s book and go to TR or Tac Pro and call it a day.
 
Scott Reitz www.internationaltactical.com

Scott is an expert witness for law enforcement and would be a good first stop.

There are a lot of solid gun guys out there: Clint Smith, Louis Awerbuck, Tiger McKee, Jeff Gonzales, Pat Rogers, and Bill Jeans.

I have been to Thunder Ranch and I did not find anything silly about Clint or his ideas. He teaches somethings that I might like to do a differant way which is alright with me. He teaches what I consider patrol officer/armed citizen tactics which work at keeping you alive. He does not teach SWAT dynamic tactics. When you go bold you have made the deceision that it is alright to lose someone. I do not think that is acceptable As A Rule for patrolmen. It might be alright for an eight man stack!
 
I do agree with the shoot and scoot method of walking and firing that is taught there [at TacPro] vs. the “crab walk” taught at other places. Which demonstrates to me that at least that particular tactic was well thought out.
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Not meaning to hijack the thread, but could you expound on this a little? I Googled a bit and didn't find anything.
 
alduro said:
BTW…if you are not a sworn LEO, you will have difficulty getting your hands on some of this material, and rightfully so.
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Do you think information regarding general police knoweldge and tactics should be a state secret? Do you think private citizens are mere peons that should live in ignorance of what police do and know?
 
Creeping Incrementalism said:
Do you think information regarding general police knoweldge and tactics should be a state secret? Do you think private citizens are mere peons that should live in ignorance of what police do and know?
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Yep.:neener:
 
benEzra said:
Not meaning to hijack the thread, but could you expound on this a little? I Googled a bit and didn't find anything.
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The crab walk is a type of slide shuffle. Meaning if you are trying to get away from an armed attacker then you slide your feet together then apart, never crossing your legs away from the threat. Kind of a backward slide walk.

The Tac Pro method that I have seen was one where you simply start walking in a circle, causing your attacker to have to readjust aim, will make him instictively stationary and you can move with much greater speed and off axis without worrying about tripping over a curb or some such. It's very difficult to explain but easy to illustrate. I recommend checking out the book, "The Concealed Handgun Manual" bt Chris Bird.
 
Lamar Jaggears said:
I have been to Thunder Ranch and I did not find anything silly about Clint or his ideas. He teaches somethings that I might like to do a differant way which is alright with me. He teaches what I consider patrol officer/armed citizen tactics which work at keeping you alive. He does not teach SWAT dynamic tactics. When you go bold you have made the deceision that it is alright to lose someone. I do not think that is acceptable As A Rule for patrolmen. It might be alright for an eight man stack!
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Perhaps "silly" is too strong a word. What I meant was there are better ways. As for an 8 man stack losing someone being okay...not in a million years.
 
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