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I made my first batch of lead bullets yesterday. Casting was done at my gun club with all windows open and a large commercial fan blowing. I wore appropriate clothing and a respirator. After I got home a washed my hand in a basement sink took off my clothes and washed them in the washing machine then took a shower. The lead bullets were water cooled so I have them spread out on a towel drying in my basement. Should I be concerned with lead sitting exposed over night to the air? I do have infants under one year living in the house. Is there is any chance of the lead oxidizing and affecting my kids? If so, I will modify my procedure and not cast at all if they are at risk. Am I following safe guidelines or being too paranoid?
 
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I don't think you can ever be too safe. I think the bullets will be fine in the open as long as the children can't get them to play with and put their hands in their mouth after touching them. I would probably let them dry in the garage and not in the house if you have that option. We keep a large bottle of anti-bacterial hand cleaner and paper towels at our range so we can clean our hands after shooting. You might want to try something like that so you can clean your hands before you drive home.
Rusty
 
I read somewhere (Lord knows where) that these hand cleaners do not help with the lead contamition problem. Something to do with needing a sudzing soap to wash it off.
With that being said tho, doing something is still a whole lot better than nothing.

Personnally I think this lead scare is WAY overblown except when it pertains to youngsters. Common sense should be used, as in not eating or drinking while casting or handling lead. Casting with a window open ect. ect. I've been casting since the 60's and get my levels tested every 6 months, and have no problem. I do not wear a respirator, never have. Lead at the temps we cast at does not give off fumes "supposibly", something like water not giving off steam until it reaches a high temp. I know people will say water evaperates, yes but I never saw a block of lead get smaller over time either. You will get fumes from the pot of lead but not lead fumes.

Check out the thread on Cast Bollits forum about casting, lead, and health.
 
You have to make your own decisions about what is safe. I don't go to nearly those lengths.

I was my hands well after a casting session. I sweep up the bench, and the floor (I cast in the garage). I make sure everyone in the family is taking a vitamin-c supplement each day. No one under the age of 12 is allowed to handle the lead, and no one under the age of 10 is allowed in the casting area when I am casting.

By and large, if you have good hygiene (wash hands regularly, don't eat or feed others while casting, shower once a day, wash your clothes regularly) you won't have a problem.

Someone pointed out over at boolits today that we were all taught as kids to put split lead sinkers on fishing line by biting them. I am not saying we don't need to be aware that lead is a hazard, but the hazard is at a 'frenzy' level lately.
 
Ya and remember we played with a drop or two of mercury from Grandpa's or Grandma's hearing aid battery.
Yes they needed hearing aids because of all the shooting they did.
 
personnally i think this lead scare is way overblown except when it pertains to youngsters

i don't know, my dad was a pipe fitter when we were kids, and he had lead laying around. We played with it ocassionally, and never had a problem. We never ingested any, but it was on our hands, and we probably ate after playing with it without washing our hands (it was a long time ago). We had lead tests done (looking for lead poisoning from paint) they always turned out ok. A while ago, i did have my doc run a lead test on me for a base line because i reload. It was fine then. I will get tested every few years, just to be safe. But i really do not expect any problems. I must say that i do not let my kids play with the stuff, and i kep them away when i am doing certain parts of reloadng. But i do let them help to some extent. They want to try anything dad is doing. As for the mercury jcwit is talking about, heck, they had us play with that in elementary school as kids in science class. We would push it around, try to pick it up etc. No special precautions back then. I am sure we didn't wash our hands after playing with that either. I do remember the teacher saying not to eat it. But it seems like one of the kids did, right after we were told not to. Young, and dumb!
 
I've been casting bullets since the mid 1960's and have never had a problem. I've had my blood tests done for lead and they're below normal.

I take common sense precautions, such as having a breeze at my back, wear leather gloves to keep from getting burned, a long sleeve shirt for the same reason, and wash my hands religiously.

I don't dress up like I'm going to a hazmat cleanup, but I do wear a shop apron and old pants, just so I don't ruin some good pants from lead splatters. Also use eye protection for the same reason, splatters.

Oh, and don't cast when wearing sandals.............

Hope this helps.

Fred
 
Am I following safe guidelines or being too paranoid?

In my opinion you are! Being too paranoid that is. Yes lead is a toxin. But it don't just jump up and force itself into your body. (Contrary to what the EPA and the tree hugger greenies say). Lead boils at 3180 degrees. That's when vapor is released in volume. Lead at over 1200 degrees begins to develope some vapor. But our electric lead pots have trouble reaching 900 degrees. The smoke that is present when melting lead is the result of carbon based fluxes. While breathing that or any smoke will be harmful, it is not lead fumes.

Like was said, each individual is responsible for whatever precaution you would want to take. You can never be too careful, but being afraid of everything is a tough life indeed.
 
There are really only a couple of ways to get lead into your body, besides actually being shot. You either eat it, or you breath it.

Eating it would include actually putting a piece of lead in your mouth, or by transferring it to something you will put into your mouth, like eating with your fingers after handling lead.

Breathing it would be by heating it until it vaporizes, which you probably can't even do at home under any bullet casting circumstances, or by breathing lead particles. You can get particles from shooting. Most of what comes from shooting though, is probably not even from the bullets so much as the primers.

Do what ever you need to do to keep lead out of the hands of your children, yes. They cannot get lead into their bodies simply by being around bullets, though.
 
I have come close a couple of times to having my nose drip in the pot when smelting on cold days.
 
How hot can lead reach when using a cast iron pot and a propane turkey fryer? Not that I would try to boil lead but can it be done?
 
"Is there is any chance of the lead oxidizing and affecting my kids?"

No. In fact, they could swallow a few of your new bullets without harm, they would just have a heavy diaper later!
Any bullets or shotgun pellets in game meats are safe for us to eat too, if we are clumsy and unaware enough to do that!

Panicky liberal fears of almost everything are vastly over-blown. Including asbestos, lead, formaldahyde, radon gas, global warming, etc, etc., all true in some minor ways but greatly over blown. And then it gets over publicized by a media with a large stake in keeping people's bowels in an up-roar over something! (Film at six oclock!)

Most of those panic waves are produced by "scientists" who are trying to obtain money from the gov. to conduct more "studies." It's much more fun for them to play scientist in a nice, quite, clean air conditioned university lab wearing a white coat than it is to have to work and maybe get dirty doing something productive for a living!

Actually, making lead into something harmful requires that it first be made into a fine powder. Otherwise, a mammals digestive system simply can't absorb it. The only reason it's harmful to birds is that their digestion starts in a gravel filled "craw" where the small lead pellets are finely ground to powder before moving on.

Yeah, some few children used to eat stray chips of lead paint containing minute amounts of lead oxide and that was harmful. At least it was if the poor kids ate a pound or two a month for a couple of years. I mean, it takes a LOT of paint chips to put very much lead oxide in the diet. Just keep doing as you are wisely doing and all will be well for your kids.

And I say this as a seven year plant safety officer for a US gov. research site, I know what I'm talking about.
 
When I was a kid I ate split shot. and .22 bullets. I bet I ate a couple of lbs of lead and there is no ill effect to me. Not that I recommend eating lead.

1911swacp
 
How hot can lead reach when using a cast iron pot and a propane turkey fryer? Not that I would try to boil lead but can it be done?

Theoretically, yes. Practically, no.

Propane flames in air are about 3600° F. This is about 400° F above the boiling point of lead. So, yes, there is enough heat there, if you could contain and focus it for enough time.

But, iron melts at 2800° F, about 350° below the boiling point of lead. So in reality, your pot (probably really a eutectic alloy of iron with a lower melting point still) would turn to liquid before you lead started to boil.
 
To listen to the news lately you would think that if you touch something with lead in it you will die. Do you remember not to long ago the big hullabaloo over the lead paint on the Chinese toys? Guess what, all the American made kids toys up until sometime in the late 60's were all painted with lead paint. Children cast lead toy soldiers and painted them with lead based paint. Kids had chemistry sets with real chemicals and somehow we survived!
I read this and some other boards where fellows wear latex gloves to handle lead bullets while reloading and I just shake my head in wonder. The media and the "doogooders" have many of us frozen like "deer in the headlights" with fear.

Whew, that feels better, sorry for the rant. I'll go quietly now to my basement and load some cast bullets, barehanded!
 
mostly lead levels are elivated from doing alot of indoor shooting with inadequate ventilation.
normal washing hands & not eating (powdered) lead will suffice, at least for me it has.
the respirator will work for the burning valve stems & tire stickers
though i usually stay up wind!!

GP100man
 
There is a Sticky at the top of the Handloading and Reloading subforum.
Ranger may consider adding his knowledge, if he hasn't already. Thanks, friend.






Mooooooose102: We played with it ocassionally, and never had a problem.
I heard that overexposure can cause loose vowels.:p
 
Yeah, some few children used to eat stray chips of lead paint containing minute amounts of lead oxide and that was harmful. At least it was if the poor kids ate a pound or two a month for a couple of years.

My son is an attorney whose firm is frequently involved in litigation concerning lead (paint) ingestion by children, today, in a major metro area. It still happens, and children are still being permanently harmed by it.

That said, the lead exposure risks associated with hobby bullet casting have been highly overstated. Use common sense, wear gloves and eye protection, hard shoes, and wash your hands after casting or handling lead bullets. I wear latex gloves, but that's probably overkill.
 
I've been a science teacher for 35 years and feel like I know a little bit about chemicals and toxic metals. Yes they can be dangerous if you breath lead fumes. But if you use a fan to blow the fumes away and wash your hands, Don't eat or smoke around the stuff you shouldn't have a problem. I have read that you cannot take lead through the skin but I've always wore long sleeve shirts when pouring bullets. Two years ago, I was concerned about the lead in my body so when I went for my annual checkup, I asked my doctor if we could check for levels of lead that might be in my body. After all, I had poured bullets for over 30 years. As it turned out, my lead intake was less than 1%. The doctor said that I didn't have any problems at all. You are takng excellent precautions and I don't feel you will have a problem. One thing I would suggest is when you flux, use Marvelux. The stuff cuts way down on the fumes that lead gives off during fluxing. It's available through Brownells and a can will last for several years. I feel that the lead, mercury scare is typical. Remember, most of us played with mercury in our classrooms and as long as the kids washed up, we made it through just fine with out developing any diseases.
 
Thank you all for the good information and putting my fears to rest. I will get my lead levels check at my next physical, just to be on the safe side.
 
I wear a dust mask, lower body spatter shield, (old cut up shirt), kevlar arm guards that were gifted to me, and welding gloves, as well as goggles. Done in the garage, door open, fan blowing out.
Fumes don't bother me, SPATTER does! :)
 
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