Lead sled or sand bags?

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Do you guys think a Lead Slead jumps and throws of your shot compaired to a simple sand bag.

Two buddies and I pitched in and bought one. I finaly got a chance to play with it again and, I don't think I'm as good as with the bags. Any of you see something like this? Or is it me?
 
It could be as simple as you cannot manipulate the rifle as you normally do. I would try some snap caps with it and try to see what happens with your rifle, your position , your trigger pull etc. I would give it more time also as it probably takes more time to get used too.
 
I own a led sled and love it. As for accuracy...I am not sure that it is "more" accurate than sand bags...in fact I would probably argue that it is less accurate...at least with mine. there is definately some movement because none of the rifles fit perfectly in the sled therefore there is a little movement but on the whole I prefer it because I do not get the crap kicked out of me and can sit down and shoot a lot of rounds from a lot of different rifles and not worry about recoil.
 
when using a lead sled, you have to be very careful to put zero pressure on the gun, or it will throw your shots unpredictably. it definitely takes some getting used to in order to make it behave the way it should.

love the lead sled for load development, hate it for everything else, including final zeroing.
 
Do you guys think a Lead Slead jumps and throws of your shot compaired to a simple sand bag.

I don't, no.

I have sighted in a rifle with a sled and tested it on sandbags, and POI was identical. As dakotasin says, you have to be careful not to do anything to divert the normal POI.

Anyway, I like the sled or similar device, to minimize shoulder slammage while testing.
 
Heck, I don't even have decent sandbags. My rear bad is fine, but my front was made from a section I cut off some old pants and filled with traction sand, then zip tied the ends closed:D

It's ghetto-rific!
 
Alemonkey you need to post a pic sometime.

I suppose you can ceasefire the range and gather up enough lead to weigh the thing down.

We use small ... beanbag type bags on the range from time to time... :eek: for barrel cooling.
 
can someone please post a pic so i no what the heck a lead sled is. i figed. this out on my own= it aint the 1969 Plymouth road runner in my driveway. Beeep Beeep,Beeep
 
I don't use a lead sled, but with sandbags I can get my rifle really steady.

Also take this into consideration:
It could be as simple as you cannot manipulate the rifle as you normally do.

Personally I wouldn't use one because it's not really me holding the rifle...It would just feel wrong. I'm not trying to condemn them though, if you use one and are happy with it then that's great, I'm not going to wreck you style.
 
Please tell me if Im right or wrong.

1st adjust it for scope on target.

I do but pressure on the wood on the forearm to hold it down. I don't touch or grasp the barrel.

The butt is tight against my shoulder with my right eye to see through the whole scope and target.

I keep the unite up high as I can "like if I was shooting standing" but my butt is really sitting. Trying to keep a strong posture.

Pull the trigger.

I mostly use it to get a bullet on paper and try to see how my reloaded ammo groups. But I get to wonder if its still jumping too much.
 
I won't use one. I have seen pictures of stocks on some heavy recoiling rifles where the stock cracked/split because of the lead sled. The recoil has to go somewhere and if it isn't backwards you stress the stock quite a bit. On something not extreme it isn't as big of a deal but then why would you need the lead sled in the first place. It also won't be as accurate as a decent front rest and rear bag. The rifle won't track and tends to jump. When you look at sighting in it may get you on paper but you still need to shoot your final shots in from the way you plan to use the rifle in the field. There is no benefit that the lead sled provides that I can see. I would rather spend on a good recoil dampening system (be it just a good pad or a break and heavy stock as well) and have the benefits of not using the lead sled but thats me.
 
thanks rowdy. thats what i thought a bench rest was. are they one in the same or is the bench rest something else?
 
A bench rest is anything you set on a bench to rest your rifle on when shooting. It can be as simple as some wood with carpet or jean legs filled with kitty litter all the way to $1000+ systems.
 
Well....This product is like a cross breed of a bench rest and and a gun vice. But it does not "clamp" to the gun. Their is a pan on the bottom that you put a bag of lead shoot for weight to hold it down on your bench. That is how it got the name of a "lead" slead.
 
Please tell me if Im right or wrong.

1st adjust it for scope on target.

I do but pressure on the wood on the forearm to hold it down. I don't touch or grasp the barrel.

The butt is tight against my shoulder with my right eye to see through the whole scope and target.

I keep the unite up high as I can "like if I was shooting standing" but my butt is really sitting. Trying to keep a strong posture.

Pull the trigger.

I mostly use it to get a bullet on paper and try to see how my reloaded ammo groups. But I get to wonder if its still jumping too much.

here's my method of using a lead sled (i'm right handed):
put 50#'s of lead in the sled, and get the rifle set up so the scope is looking at the center of the target while i am not touching the gun or sled. then get the sled against my shoulder, and re-check the scope's alignment, while shifting the tail of the sled left or right to get the desired effect. now, grip the wrist of the stock w/ my right hand, assuming a shooting position. again, check the scope. use my left hand to shift the tail of the sled left or right, or up and down via the rear screw. use as little pressure as possible w/ my cheek on the gun to get the firing sequence ready. keep my left hand well away from the gun, little cheek pressure, grip wrist, and begin trigger squeeze.

after the gun goes off, do everything all over again.

if you want to see how much deflection is possible, use more or less pressure w/ your cheek, or use forearm pressure w/ your left hand on the rifle's forearm. you can easily turn a 1 moa rifle into a 4 moa rifle using lead sled and body pressure. you can also see it visually by merely setting your gun up to shoot at 200 or more yards - even a 6x scope will show all manner of movement. you have to be very, very consistent in how you use the sled to get reliable results. it is a slow, awkward but potentially very precise method of shooting a rifle. and yes, when i shoot, especially bigger guns, the rifle jumps way out of the sled and slams back down against the front rest - make sure your front rest is well padded.

the lead sled is a tool, much like a chrony. it has its place and can be useful. it can also be frustrating and slow... just like a chrony.

because of all that, i much prefer to do sighting and practice work w/ no sled, using the sled only for load development. makes it easy to completely develop a load for a 338 win mag or 300 win mag in one range session w/ nothing more than a t-shirt for recoil...
 
it aint the 1969 Plymouth road runner in my driveway. Beeep Beeep,Beeep


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I have just purchased a Caldwell Tackdriver bag.It is kinda 2 bags together that the rifle rests between them.
I will be taking it out tomorrow for a test run but I`ll take along My old reliable Military sleeping bag all rolled up nice and tight for a backup in case I do`nt like the Caldwell.:D
Besides maby i`ll need to take a nap between shots.:eek::D
 
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