Leading; I just deal with it

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After taking the various measures into account - sizing, forcing cones etc. I have only one gun that still leads and it baffles me. CZ shadow 2. even leads up with coated bullets. ran everything from 356 to 359 in it. commercial, home brew. several different weights, profiles, hot and mild loads. all of it leads. Can't see or feel anything that would cause it. Bore is great, no choke points, no bad rifling, nothing pin gages right at spec. walked through every land and groove with a bore cam.
Gave up and run plated through that one.
 
After taking the various measures into account - sizing, forcing cones etc. I have only one gun that still leads and it baffles me. CZ shadow 2. even leads up with coated bullets. ran everything from 356 to 359 in it. commercial, home brew. several different weights, profiles, hot and mild loads. all of it leads. Can't see or feel anything that would cause it. Bore is great, no choke points, no bad rifling, nothing pin gages right at spec. walked through every land and groove with a bore cam.
Gave up and run plated through that one.
You can have the chamber/lands reshaped to be optimized for lead if that's what you intend to shoot in it. It's a different angle. The good news is you can cure the short leads that czs are notorious for at the same time.
 
You can have the chamber/lands reshaped to be optimized for lead if that's what you intend to shoot in it. It's a different angle. The good news is you can cure the short leads that czs are notorious for at the same time.
I could, but it's such an accurate shooter as is- I just bought a pile of plated bullets when powder valley had them on sale not long ago for under 9c per. think I bought 5k or so.
 
I could, but it's such an accurate shooter as is- I just bought a pile of plated bullets when powder valley had them on sale not long ago for under 9c per. think I bought 5k or so.
That's why I asked about intentions because if your not shooting lead mostly it would be a waste of time and money. I have no idea if your model has drop in replacement barrels but depending on price sometimes those are a better option.
 
buying commercial cast is a hit or miss proposition. Most are cast of alloy that is usually too hard so they can be shipped with less chance of being deformed during transit. Also the lube used may or may not be compatible with the loads used. Most of the alloy I use is in the 12BHN range
After experiencing leading with "harder" 20+ BHN commercial hardcast bullets, I ended up with 18 BHN Missouri Bullets that deformed/bumped/obturated the bullet base better to seal the gas and eliminated leading problem with my 9mm/40S&W/45ACP loads - https://missouribullet.com/details.php?prodId=57&category=5&secondary=13&keywords=

Curious, I tested different BHN/powders/charges and found "softer" 14-16 BHN bullets worked better to deform/bump/obturate the bullet base with lower powder charges and not produce leading like Z Cast bullets - https://www.jacobeagle.com/bullets

And with even softer 12 BHN, low 4.0 gr charge of Red Dot/Promo worked well to deform/expand the bullet base enough to eliminate leading problem in my PT145 with oversized barrel and produce 2" accuracy at 25 yards with railed Sig 1911 and 2"+ with M&P45 with soft recoil that became a pleasure to shoot even with compact PT145 and favorite of wife shooting M&P45 with small grip insert - https://missouribullet.com/details.php?prodId=56&category=5


I have only one gun that still leads and it baffles me. CZ shadow 2. even leads up with coated bullets. ran everything from 356 to 359 in it. commercial, home brew. several different weights, profiles, hot and mild loads. all of it leads. Can't see or feel anything that would cause it. Bore is great, no choke points, no bad rifling, nothing pin gages right at spec. walked through every land and groove with a bore cam ... Gave up and run plated through that one.
With any new pistol, my seasoned bullseye match shooting mentor pounded into my head 30 years ago to properly "break in" a new barrel. I shoot several hundred rounds of jacketed bullets to "burnish/polish" bore surface and my various 45ACP (Sig 1911, M&P45, even PT145 with oversized barrel but using softer 12 BHN bullet), 40S&W (M&P 40 and Lone Wolf Glock 22/23/27 40S&W barrels) and 9mm (G22/23/27 with KKM, Lone Wolf, Tactical Kinetics, BCA 40-9mm conversion barrels) barrels do not lead with 12/14-16/18 BHN bullets using lead load data.

If you shot several hundred rounds of plated bullets through Shadow, barrel may be burnished/polished enough to have smooth surface and could try shooting lead bullets again to see if barrel leads.

BTW, which load data/bullet BHN/powder charges were you using?

With 18 BHN MBC 9mm 124 gr Lead RN (SmallBall!, no step RN), loaded to 4.3 gr referencing Hodgdon lead load data, I got full length leading - https://missouribullet.com/details.php?prodId=51&category=5&secondary=8&keywords=
  • 125 gr Lead CN W231/HP-38 COL 1.125" Start 3.9 gr (1,009 fps) - Max 4.4 gr (1,086 fps)
But when I referenced Speer lead load data with lower charges, using 3.8 gr eliminated leading problem - https://reloadingdata.speer.com/downloads/speer/reloading-pdfs/handgun/9mm_Luger_125.pdf
  • 125 gr Lead RN W231 COL 1.130" Start 3.8 gr (911 fps) - Max 4.1 gr (982 fps)

With "softer" 14-16 BHN Z Cast 9mm 124 gr Lead RN (Stepped RN), bullet base seems to deform/expand better even with lighter powder charges of W231/HP-38 and Promo/Red Dot to not lead my KKM/Lone Wolf/BCA barrels - https://www.jacobeagle.com/product-page/9mm-124-grain-rn-500-count

And with lighter charge "target" loads, not only will using "softer" BHN bullets help with leading but using faster burning powders seem to build initial chamber pressures better to exert pressure on the bullet base to deform/expand to seal better with the barrel to reduce/eliminate leading.
 
I had similar experience with 231 from 4-4.5 gr. leading across the board using brazos and missouri coated 115 and 124 RN profiles. also leaded with various charge weights of BE,WSF, BE-86, and VVN340 with lee TC120 and 125 RN I cast from range scrap (consistently near 12) with both blue lube and tumble lube.

I found a sweet shooting load with those berrys 124 and VVN340 at 4.5 gr so i loaded up the 2# of powder I had. When those run out, I may try coated or cast again. should take me a year or so to burn through those. Think I loaded a little over 3k.
 
I may try coated or cast again. should take me a year or so to burn through those. Think I loaded a little over 3k.
Then your barrel will certainly be "well burnished" to reduce/eliminate leading.

I had similar experience with 231 from 4-4.5 gr. leading across the board using brazos and missouri coated 115 and 124 RN profiles. also leaded with various charge weights of BE,WSF, BE-86, and VVN340 with lee TC120 and 125 RN I cast with both blue lube and tumble lube.

I found a sweet shooting load with those berrys 124 and VVN340 at 4.5 gr so i loaded up the 2# of powder I had. When those run out, I may try coated or cast again. should take me a year or so to burn through those. Think I loaded a little over 3k.
Try around 3.8 gr of W231/HP-38 and 124 gr Lead RN loaded to around 1.125" and see if leading starts. (BTW, I have found that W231/HP-38 with certain lube produces gummy residue on barrel surface instead of dry flake residue so if that's what you are seeing, you may consider other faster than W231/HP-38 powders)

And if you are loading around minor 125 power factor (1050 fps for 124 gr bullet), even faster burning powders like Promo/Red Dot, Bullseye, etc. will bump/expand the bullet base better to seal the gas with barrel in reducing leading. Unless pushed hard/near max lead load data, slower burning powders like BE-86/WSF/N340 if gas leakage starts, will likely lead while producing less consistent chamber pressures.

And of course "Bullet to barrel fit is king" ... So if your slugged groove diameter is larger than .356", you may benefit from .357" bullet sizing and it's been THR past experience that many European 9mm barrels are sized larger than typical domestic 9mm barrels' groove diameter of .355"-.356".

And if harder 18 BHN still leads, particularly with slower target loads, consider trying softer 14-16 BHN bullets - https://www.jacobeagle.com/product-page/9mm-124-grain-rn-500-count
 
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tried diameters too. all the way from .356 to .359. from powder puff loads to major. Like I said, I gave it lots of effort. but it's got no lead love.
 
tried diameters too. all the way from .356 to .359. from powder puff loads to major. Like I said, I gave it lots of effort. but it's got no lead love.
So perhaps it was barrel surface that was not "broken in/burnished"?

If leading goes away after shooting few thousand rounds of plated, then that would explain the cause of leading.
 
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