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Learning from family history.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Oleg Volk, Oct 14, 2005.

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  1. Oleg Volk

    Oleg Volk Moderator Emeritus

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    Grandfather was shot in summer of 1941, his daughter and her kids later the same year. My grandmother and one of her brothers survived further East. Another brother died in a tank at Kursk in 1943.

    Since 1941, there wasn't a single year that I can think of during which no government killed or tortured scores of its own citizens. This kind of history repeats itself over and over again, checked here and there only by the armed resistance to tyranny...in too few instances.
     
  2. orangeninja

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    I like it. In fact just a couple of months ago I read a biograpy of a holocost survivor and what he experienced. I met him in person...I touched his tatoo. I shook his hand and I will tell my grandkids about him one day...and God help...it'll never happen here if I'm still drawing breath.
     
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    I really like the idea, but the JBT looks too much like someone playing dress up to me. It doesn't really same gritty or scary enough to me.

    Compare him to the two in this pic:
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  4. Oleg Volk

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    I might edit the image to make it look more dated...but the original idea was to make it a present-day person and a present-day threat. It is, in reality, another THR member who is a reenactor and who kindly posed for a few photos.
     
  5. Preacherman

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    Oleg, I like the concept. One possible "tweak": how about showing the outline of a human being (or group of humans) as a dotted line, so that the soldier's pistol is clearly pointing at them, and then put your text inside the dotted line, so that it's more "pointed" in terms of reader/viewer impact?
     
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    Maybe "My great-grandfather, his daughter, and her children were here in 1941." Put the text inside or close to the outline as suggested by Preacherman, with the "NEVER AGAIN!" below.
     
  7. atk

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    Oleg,

    The concept is great, but I agree with Preacherman and Taipei Personality: it really needs people as the targets, not words.

    Also, the text seems really long for the thought. Maybe if you were to make it a caption, like,


    "1941, Left to right: Sgt. Johann Weiss, Great Grandfather David Pazy, Great Grandmother Ruth, Mom (Lisa Pazy), Auntie Bess Pazy. Never Again."


    Which also leads me to think: what would it look like if you had the caption, and make the picture look like a newpaper clipping?
     
  8. Oleg Volk

    Oleg Volk Moderator Emeritus

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    I thought I took photos of the family portraits last year, but could not find them in my files. Not sure what happened to them.
     
  9. Justin

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    It doesn't need people as the targets. It's obvious from the way the pistol is pointed and what the text says.

    Oleg, I really like this one.
     
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    Justin,

    It's obvious, but it doesn't convey any emotional content. Aiming at words is sterile. Aiming at people is emotionally charged.

    Of course, if you want something that's less emotionally charged, words is good :)
     
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    Oleg, I saw it this morning on your website.

    Excellent
     
  12. grnzbra

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    Actually, he looks like a sadistic little twerp who suddenly has been given some power and a real gun. That is truely frightening.
     
  13. orangeninja

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    How about changing the uniform from the regular army type to a gestapo type. You know..all that black with the deaths head emblem etc.
     
  14. Oleg Volk

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    Where would I get a Gestapo uniform?
     
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    I like this one alot, very well done.
     
  16. atk

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    A quick search for "reenactment gestapo uniform" on Google comes up with: http://www.replicaters.com/gestapouniforms.html .

    I don't know what good prices for it would be, and it looks like it will cost a few dollars, but it' apparantly available...
     
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    or was it SS uniforms he designed ????
     
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    Oleg said: "...but the original idea was to make it a present-day person and a present-day threat. "

    Yep, great idea. All you have to do is put him in fashionable tactical black and it's perfect. Don't forget the Surefire light, Camelback, and "search warrant". :D

    Or would that ruffle too many feathers:neener:
     
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    Shocking, and utterly on-target.
     
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    He doesn't look the least bit German to me, and awfully young, as well.

    Great idea.
     
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    I agree - Make the text conform to the outline, then remove the outline. I think this would be a case where more text would be better - maybe run a larger headline "Never Again" toward the top that white space...

    Also, I'd go with a black or dark background, with the text reversed out.

    "In 1941, a society taught its youth that some people were bad. That society's youth helped destroy millions of lives..."

    Besides, not every Nazi looked like a JBT - some of them were accountants, having to make sure that no gold tooth was incinerated...
     
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    Great poster, tiny quibble.

    Oleg--Great poster; XLNT expression of an idea. I agree the JBT looks like a twerp, and he should look like a twerp! A twerp who just now has been given the power and authority to punish all those nasty people who outdid him in the past by by greater intelligence or more effort. Twerps in that situation are capable of incalculable cruelty.

    One tiny little quibble: Where is the holster for that Walther? Should it not be on the twerp's belt, in front of his dagger, right where that box thing is? BTW, this lack doesn't take away from the poster's impact at all.

    Where will we see this appearing in public?
     
  23. Oleg Volk

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    Holster in on the left,crossdraw. The guy also has rifle ammo pouches, that's his primaryweapon.

    In terms of print publishing, I am still waiting to hear from the people who understand distribution methods better than I do at this time.
     
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    The guy looks like one of the characters out of Band Of Brothers. Id suggest getting the outfit reccomended if possible. I think a true authenic nazi picture would be best.
     
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    That's probably the most powereful one to date.. :)
     
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