Leaving a SBR or suppressor in the car
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Ironman
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I have this installed in my Tundra.
Video Review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHV--toD8pY
I have even fit a suppressed 9mm SBR in it lol.
Video Review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHV--toD8pY
I have even fit a suppressed 9mm SBR in it lol.
Ironman
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I also have this under my back seat. And although I haven't bought the lock kit, they are out of plain sight when the seat is down.
Video Review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIgorTTlpYE&list=UUBYaVN2iDkYjR-TJS8py9ww
Video Review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIgorTTlpYE&list=UUBYaVN2iDkYjR-TJS8py9ww
What we are talking about is completely different from the varying burdens of proof, etc, between the two.
You are talking about probable cause being the legal threshold for an arrest vs beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of your peers being the legal threshold for conviction.
I am talking about how law enforcement officers can be ignorant of the law, make an arrest for a perfectly legal activity, and that is often accepted...whereas ignorance of the law is no excuse for the rest of us.
leadcounsel
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While not a direct comment on how it applies to Title II items, it is noteworthy that the SCOTUS views a vehicle (and mobile [not stationary] motor homes) as distinctly different than a home in nearly every critical analysis when it comes to your rights and privileges. It's well established legal opinion that there is a distinct difference as far as the Court is concerned.
For a fair summary and case cites read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_exception
Given the Court's distinctions, I would be quite cautious.
I don't have the direct answer to the OPs question. Perhaps it's geared to the person stopping home from the range to get some groceries.... But as a designated, always in your vehicle, "truck/trunk gun..." ... BAD IDEA in general, unless you have some specific tailored reason (I have livestock and I may have to put one down in the field or protect them from predators, for instance).
Slightly off topic, and I started a different thread to address this, but want to chime in here too. After having considered a designated truck long gun, stored away, for many years, I opted against it. Absent some totally unlikely catastrophe that requires the use of a longgun to extract myself, and absent a person being a farmer tending lifestock, or someone deep out in nature or on the plains with no phone reception, no help, perhaps living on the Mexico border, etc. I can see almost zero realistic situations where digging out a long gun from inside the vehicle (trunk, lock box, etc.) is going to be legally justifiable.... or wise. America routinely has natural disasters, hurricanes, floods, earthquakes, riots, etc. The periods of time where folks required and were legally justified in going to get their truck guns are anecdotal at best, and statistically nearly non-existent. Yeah, the Korean shop owners in the LA Riots... the Bell Tower sniper in Texas... okay, there are two and perhaps a few other examples... hardly the norm. And certainly not worth the very real and common risks of theft (rolling the dice every day to be among the millions of stolen vehicles or breakins, for which I have been a victim). Or the risks of unlawfully using or brandishing it and being arrested or prosecuted.
So, perhaps the OP has the wrong question/analysis in mind. What's the POINT of driving around with your $1000 AR, $200 can, and $400 EOTECH.
And - what if it goes south for some reason. Theft, or worse, you illegally use it... A criminal prosecution defense on a felony weapons, assault, aggravated assault, or homicide charge could easily hit $20,000 and quickly exceed 6 digits... conviction would possibly result in a felony (bye bye gun rights), prison (hello bunkmate bubba), loss of job, wages indefinitely, perhaps divorce, etc. and the scarlet letter of being a felon...
From a purely wise or risk/analysis situation, that's a lot of risk and little reward or upside for the security blanket of a tool you'd likely never be able to deploy legally.
Most states require "imminent fear of serious bodily injury or death" for the lawful use of lethal self defense. Not a threat of future harm. It must be immediate. That doesn't mean, time to go back to the truck, open the doors, unlock the gun box, perhaps assemble the gun, insert the magazine, lock and load, and then return to the "threat"... That is unlikely to satisify the legal requirements for the lawful use of a firearm in self defense.
My advice, stick with a handgun for which you already likely have (or should have) a CPL. Have it available to deploy immediately and defend against imminent deadly threats (car jackings, parking lot assaults, etc.) in compliance with the law, either on your person, or immediately accessible in the vehicle... secure it according to local laws.
For a fair summary and case cites read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_exception
Given the Court's distinctions, I would be quite cautious.
I don't have the direct answer to the OPs question. Perhaps it's geared to the person stopping home from the range to get some groceries.... But as a designated, always in your vehicle, "truck/trunk gun..." ... BAD IDEA in general, unless you have some specific tailored reason (I have livestock and I may have to put one down in the field or protect them from predators, for instance).
Slightly off topic, and I started a different thread to address this, but want to chime in here too. After having considered a designated truck long gun, stored away, for many years, I opted against it. Absent some totally unlikely catastrophe that requires the use of a longgun to extract myself, and absent a person being a farmer tending lifestock, or someone deep out in nature or on the plains with no phone reception, no help, perhaps living on the Mexico border, etc. I can see almost zero realistic situations where digging out a long gun from inside the vehicle (trunk, lock box, etc.) is going to be legally justifiable.... or wise. America routinely has natural disasters, hurricanes, floods, earthquakes, riots, etc. The periods of time where folks required and were legally justified in going to get their truck guns are anecdotal at best, and statistically nearly non-existent. Yeah, the Korean shop owners in the LA Riots... the Bell Tower sniper in Texas... okay, there are two and perhaps a few other examples... hardly the norm. And certainly not worth the very real and common risks of theft (rolling the dice every day to be among the millions of stolen vehicles or breakins, for which I have been a victim). Or the risks of unlawfully using or brandishing it and being arrested or prosecuted.
So, perhaps the OP has the wrong question/analysis in mind. What's the POINT of driving around with your $1000 AR, $200 can, and $400 EOTECH.
And - what if it goes south for some reason. Theft, or worse, you illegally use it... A criminal prosecution defense on a felony weapons, assault, aggravated assault, or homicide charge could easily hit $20,000 and quickly exceed 6 digits... conviction would possibly result in a felony (bye bye gun rights), prison (hello bunkmate bubba), loss of job, wages indefinitely, perhaps divorce, etc. and the scarlet letter of being a felon...
From a purely wise or risk/analysis situation, that's a lot of risk and little reward or upside for the security blanket of a tool you'd likely never be able to deploy legally.
Most states require "imminent fear of serious bodily injury or death" for the lawful use of lethal self defense. Not a threat of future harm. It must be immediate. That doesn't mean, time to go back to the truck, open the doors, unlock the gun box, perhaps assemble the gun, insert the magazine, lock and load, and then return to the "threat"... That is unlikely to satisify the legal requirements for the lawful use of a firearm in self defense.
My advice, stick with a handgun for which you already likely have (or should have) a CPL. Have it available to deploy immediately and defend against imminent deadly threats (car jackings, parking lot assaults, etc.) in compliance with the law, either on your person, or immediately accessible in the vehicle... secure it according to local laws.
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MasterSergeantA
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I agree. You may beat the rap, but you aren't going to avoid the ride.
Magnuumpwr
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I have had an instance where law enforcement, with limited knowledge of NFA items made for a comedic interaction. One day called my wife to meet me at a gun show with my glock 17 suppressed. Upon entering the building, gun clearing is verified and a cinch tie attached. To clarify, the gun has a Storm threaded barrel with a Silencerco Osprey 9mm suppressor. "Back to the story", I hand my gun to one of the officers and he turns to the other saying, "man with this long of a barrel we could shoot all the way across Port Arthur!" Being I forgot to have my wife grab a copy of my stamp, it was a relief they had no idea what they were handed. Hate to think of the possible headache had this gone the other way!
wally
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I'd I'd be filing a lawsuit as soon as I was released!
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