Length for 30-06 loaded cartridge?

Status
Not open for further replies.

SunnySlopes

Member
Joined
Nov 3, 2011
Messages
1,224
I'm loading some Nosler Ballistic Tip (Spitzer) 150 grain 30-06. (Starting load 55 grains IMR 4350.)

Nosler's website suggest 3.320 inches overall cartridge length for that bullet.

I've got some factory Remington 150 grain 30-06 PSP. They measure 3.1655 inches.

I have an Alliant manual that doesn't give data for Nosler 150 grain, but has the Hornady 150 grain Spire Point (that's Spitzer, right?) as 3.210 inches.

I have three 30-06 rifles. This is for a 2002 Remington 700 Mountain Rifle, and I've read that the bullet contacting the lands could create excessive pressures.
 
I load some 130 grain Balistic tips in .270 win. A note in the box of bullets recommended .050 to .10 off the lands. My 700 bdl has a really long leade. If I seat the bullets out far enough to get 0.050, there’s not much bullet in the neck. So I just seat the bullets where there is sufficient depth in the neck, I think 3.245” oal.
I get pretty good results with this bullet, but better results with Speer Grand Slams, which are shorter than the Nosler.
 
Last edited:
@SunnySlopes - reloading manuals typically have a section on determining your maximum length before jamming or kissing. The bolt lift method is my preferred method, YouTube has a great tutorial on this.

You absolutely cannot compare the COAL’s of two bullet brands and models. The ogive profiles can be very, very different, such an overall length which is safe with one bullet profile may be hard jammed in another bullet profile. It seems you may need to spend some time working with a more experienced reloader to pick up some tips and tricks to help keep you safe and reduce your confusion.
 
Next Saturday morning when the Oklahoma rifle season starts one of the rifles I'll be taking is a 30-06 with 165 grain AccuBond bullets loaded to a overall length of 3.320. My load is 57 grains of IMR 4350. This was the most accurate load tested by Nosler with a listed velocity of 2832 in their test rifle. If you are concerned about touching the lands, take a black sharpie and make a mark around the ogive of the bullet, with the safety on run the cartridge into the chamber, close the bolt and look to see if there are marks on the bullet. No marks, no touch. If you want to find out where the touch is just back off your seating die a little each bullet and record the length when the touch happens. Then you can calculate the distance from 3.320 to the lands in your particular rifle.
 
Last edited:
Some of these have already been covered:

1. The cartridge needs to fit the magazine.
2. There has to be enough of the bullet in the neck of the case to hold it securely.
3. It doesn't matter if the bullet touches the lands as long as you have worked up the load in the usual conservative way watching for signs of pressure. One bench rest shooter I knew reloaded at the bench after each round using the same five cases. He was a machinist and had made his own dies. He seated the bullets with his fingers and when he chambered the cartridges, the bullets were pushed into the case further by touching the lands. He did pretty well. That said, as long as the alignment of the chamber, throat and barrel is precise, being compulsive about getting a bullet right at the lands may not be of much benefit for the average shooter with the usual hunting rifle.
 
Sunny Slopes: Seating depth does make a difference in terms of accuracy, but it is way behind the effects of the bullet, barrel and bedding. I consider these factors as the 95% or maybe, the 99% contributor's to accuracy. Everything else has an affect, but the magnitude is less.

First and foremost you want ammunition that feeds and extracts. The round should extract when not fired!. I highly recommend that a reloader take their round and chamber it as hard as they can. If the bullet sticks in the throat when extracted, the bullet is seated out too long. It has happened to me, and having to break position, remove the cleaning rod from the scope stand tube, knock the bullet out, get back into position, and resume your string, this will ruin your score in a match. It is probably far worse if you are in the woods! I doubt the bullet could be blow out, and then you have all this powder fouling the action.

Ultimate accuracy is nice and all, but what level of accuracy is needed for the job at hand? And can you hold that hard in the field? There is a trend towards bench rest accuracy in all weapons, which is accuracy for accuracy sakes. It really is becoming a pointless tail chasing religion. I consider an acceptable accuracy standard for hunting to be eight inches circle, which represents the lethal area of an animal. If all shots will arrive within eight inches at distance, then the rifle and load is acceptably accurate. The distance at which the group grows larger than eight inches, than that distance is too far for ethical hunting.

That distance might be 200 yards. Might be less.

Hunting bullet depth has not been that critical for reasonable accuracy in my 30-06's. I think the 30 caliber bullets out there have been developed to be rather jump insensitive. I do have F Class friends who tell me Berger's require a certain amount of jump, but they are trying to keep them all in the ring at 1000 yards. They are also shooting off bipods with sand bag rests, with single shot actions and heavy barrels. I am surprised how many actions don't have ejectors. The round is extracted and the shooter pulls the fired case off the bolt face with a finger. While much can be learned in terms of accuracy from F Class shooters, just because they do it, does not mean much in the hunting arena.

In terms of hunting bullets, I just set these 165 grain Core Lokts to the cannulure, ignored bullet jump, and they shot well.

jzQLKOZ.jpg

People who read the inprint stuff, which is advertising catered to their biases, think 600 yards is a gimmie. Well it is not. Having a nice 300 yard zero, I proceded to get a zero at 600 yards, and here is the shot record to get in the 10 ring. I know there were more shots off target before the first one registered.

LYGQutP.jpg

Once in the ten ring, a good group

FT1YVAK.jpg


HB9skFG.jpg

Different M70, same era of ammunition. Low shot probably due to a cracked case neck.

xYdJUKe.jpg

When I decided to put a better scope on, I used my garbage bullets in garbage brass. I would have set these IMI FMJBT's to the cannulure, which is probably 3.250" and let loose at 100 yards. I was quite surprised how well they did. Based on what you read from others, you have to seat the things progressively off the throat, to find the sweet spot, and I think that is nice if you are into tail chasing. I think a ten shot group that is 1.65" is fine for junk ammunition.

TjBzrzx.jpg

heavier bullets, such as these military match 174 FMJBT's, I set to 3.30" because that is what I set my 30-06 match ammunition. Seventeen shots in 2.3 inches. I could have gone for 20 shots on target, but it was pointless, and I needed to pack up and move to the 600 yard range.

DkWLfzf.jpg

YSI4JZj.jpg

I did seat these 150 grain pulled, Federal Fusion's out to 3.30", and I forget why. Might have been due to getting the bullet closer to the lands, or, because 3.3" is what I normally use in match ammunition. As it is, shot well

2u4Glrd.jpg

kmgedxu.jpg


G6QeJtm.jpg

Here is an object lesson on bullets.

This rifle really shot 140 gr SMK's well

WS2wWAC.jpg

and Hornady's well

DnAX92e.jpg

did not like Core Lokt's

LT0GGCi.jpg

Wpl2oYN.jpg

But

this rifle liked 140 grain SMK's

AHQRhjk.jpg

and Core Lokt's did well

iENXQeU.jpg

jvOkxVQ.jpg

something is different, darned if I know what. You just have to shoot the things to figure out their peculiarities.

 
Last edited:
I posted earlier in post #5 that on Saturday I would be hunting deer with 165 grain AccuBond's in my 30-06 but it didn't work out as I planned. I always take a backup rifle and this morning I tried the same load in that rifle and the 200 meter group was huge. I've had problems with Nosler bullets before so I wasn't a complete surprised. Both rifles shoot less than MOA with either Sierra or Speer boattail's with 57 grains of IMR 4350 so it wasn't hard to decide what to use.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top