Let's talk buckshot...

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So I've put aside some buckshot for defense purposes...it's Federal Premium Vital-Shok 00 buck. This is marketed as a hunting load, but really in the end, what's the difference between this or another non-descript buckshot like Remington Express buck than something like Winchester mil-spec buck or the Federal "tactical"? Seems like the word "tactical" in a buckshot load usually means only slightly tighter patterns or reduced recoil? Does it REALLY matter all that much buck I go with as long as it's a quality shell and fits my chamber?
 
Seems like the word "tactical" in a buckshot load usually means only slightly tighter patterns or reduced recoil? Does it REALLY matter all that much buck I go with as long as it's a quality shell and fits my chamber?

Question 1: You're right, reduced recoil is usually the defining feature of a 'tactical' buckshot load--with the goal of faster recovery and followup shots. What patterns tightest will vary of course, from gun to gun. I've not found any consistent advantage to 'tactical' loads in this respect.

Question 2: No. It doesn't matter much what buckshot you use, with the given provisos about quality and function--but what DOES matter is that you know from considerable experience shooting THAT LOAD how it is going to perform. How far will it spread at the longest shot you could expect to take with it? At what range would you need to switch to the slugs on your sidesaddle (you have slugs on your sidesaddle, right? ;-) to make effective shots outside that buckshot's limits? How does shot-to-shot recovery feel, and how quickly can you engage multiple targets with control?

Honestly, I suspect one of the main reasons so many people use reduced recoil buckshot is because doing enough shooting with REGULAR buckshot to establish all these things HURTS! But it's a good kind of pain, so go out and get you some!
 
This is marketed as a hunting load, but really in the end, what's the difference between this or another non-descript buckshot like Remington Express buck than something like Winchester mil-spec buck or the Federal "tactical"?

First off it may be buffered (Remington buffers the Express) but at the least it should have a shot cup and better components.

I don't know about the mil-spec( I guessing they're made of cheaper stuff) or Tac-cool, but most ammo companies figure hunters will pay more for better stuff and I do believe there is a difference in lead quality in various types of buck.
 
Yes siree, patterning does truly affect the wallet. I myself use Remington slugs and buckshot in my 870.
 
Hunting loads often have better components marketed to a recreational crowd that demands better performance at greater ranges. Failure to deliver will result in lesser praise among hunters and lower sales.
Recreational activities or the hobby market is a market that can usually charge more because people will pay more for recreational toys or activities they don't need. You see that with most big boy toys, they cost more than they reasonably should or compared to similar products outside of the recreational market. So it can be more expensive, even more than warranted.
But those purchasing in some specialty recreational markets both expect better performance and are willing to pay more for better performance. Especially in activities requiring few shots such as game hunting.

A tactical load may target either a similar market with usually unwarranted higher prices, or try to meet a price point to be favorable to large departments, agencies, and consumers comparing cost and savings.

Hunting loads are intended to actually be used to dispatch an animal humanely. They as a result use standard or even higher velocity loads with standard or increased payload.
"Tactical" loads on the other hand use reduced payload, lower velocity, or both.
As a result tactical are easier to handle, just like using a smaller caliber gun would be, but they also perform ballistically like a smaller gun.
So if for example all you are going to run is "tactical" loads in a 12 gauge, you may be better served by simply using a 20 gauge that uses a similar load standard, but also handles better and is quicker to maneuver. Using "tactical" loads but pretending you are still using a 12 gauge is like sticking a smaller engine in the same vehicle and pretending it still can do the same things.
 
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For the most part I agree that adding "Tactical" to the name of shotgun shells just means lower recoil and higher price.

The exception being Federal Tactical. For one thing, its usually cheaper than Vital-Shok/Power-Shok stuff. Also, they use their flight control wad in there tactical loads which has a dramatic effect on the group size. I'm talking like a 9" group @ 25 yds vs barely getting on the paper using shells without the flight control wad. I've shot both Federal Tactical and Winchester Ranger 00 Buck from the same guns and the difference was incredible.
 
ya, the Flite-control wad does do a lot. It's kind of tough to dfind around here, anyone know of the best way to buy it? I wanna pick up about 50-75 rounds of it. I'd get the 250 but I have so much other buck as it is.
 
The Federal Premium Vital-Shok buckshot is plated copper plated and buffered. That is the biggest difference between that and low end buckshot.
 
Quick sidebar re: buckshot - if you know the answer please PM me - Can you use buckshot (such as 00 Buck) with an Extra-Full turkey choke? Or would it maybe damage the choke like a slug would (better off using Full not extra-full)? Talking deer hunting here...
 
I own a Mossy 590 for HD. I have patterened it with 3 types of 00 Buck. All Low Recoil (Tactical), all shot at 10 yds, Remington, Fiocchi & Federal.

Remington RL12BK00 - 3.5 inch pattern
Fiocchi 12LE00BK - 5.5 inch pattern
Federal LE133 00 - 1.2 inch pattern (Flite Control)
I also took some Estate 7.5 Birdshot with me. The pattern was bigger than the target.

I consider any of the above 00 Buck to be acceptable for my shotgun.
 
I do have a question about Federal Premium Law Enforcement Tactical 00 buck. It's copper plated and buffered and has the Flite Control wad and it was listed as full power on the Ammunition To Go site where I ordered it (mentioned earlier in another post in this thread). It has a muzzle velocity of 1325 but it does seem to have less recoil than other buckshot with the same muzzle velocity like Remington 00 buck that also has a muzzle velocity of 1325 fps. I know buffering isn't about reducing recoil but is it possible it does reduce it? It seems to me that buffering would actually increase recoil since it doesn't allow as much gas pressure to escape around the buckshot (or at least I would think it wouldn't allow as much gas to escape since it fills in the holes between the buckshot pellets). If not buffering what does cause the Federal to seemingly have less recoil? I don't think it's my imagination because it seems there is a substantial difference in felt recoil from both of my 12 ga. shotguns.
The only stuff listed on ATG's website is the low recoil 1145 fps stuff. They do make a standard recoil tactical load @ 1325 fps though.

The low recoil stuff is LE132-00, the standard recoil stuff is LE127-00. You may have gotten some LE127-00 instead. It should be somewhere on the box.
 
My 20 ga. loves Winchester #3 Buck. It stays on a paper plate at any distance out to 15 yards from my gun.

highorder had it right: the way it patterns from your gun is all that really matters, provided it feeds reliably.

Regards,
Dirty Bob
 
Hornady TAP 00 Buck is great, compared to federal and winchester shells, The hornady holds a better pattern.
 
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