Lobotomy Boy
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Where is Ben Franklin when you need him?
He's turning over in his grave. In fact, at this rate, we may have to start referring to him as 'Pinwheel' Franklin.Lobotomy Boy said:Where is Ben Franklin when you need him?
Biker said:He's turning over in his grave. In fact, at this rate, we may have to start referring to him as 'Pinwheel' Franklin.
Biker
I say we hook him to a generator and solve the energy crisis; at least some good can come if it.He's turning over in his grave. In fact, at this rate, we may have to start referring to him as 'Pinwheel' Franklin.
He's turning over in his grave. In fact, at this rate, we may have to start referring to him as 'Pinwheel' Franklin.
I'm with you there.Old Dog, well I guess I'm strange, I'm Pro-Bush, but firmly believe he's lost it here.
I heartily concur.But the Bush administration has not been what I consider a good practitioner of Republican views.
Exactly; hold those accountable who would violate our 4th and 5th Amendment rights with illegal -- and quite probably unnecessary --, wiretapping and electronic surveillance. But first -- Congress must address, per its duty as enumerated in Article 1, the apparent loopholes under which the administration is making its case that its efforts are not violating current laws. Does any really see this happening anytime soon? And the Supreme Court cannot begin to address the Constitutionality without a case, an appellant -- given the ultra-secrecy of the wiretapping, who among those possibly affected will come out? And when? Gee, now the Justice Department is looking into whether or not the NY Times' leaking of the NSA actions is a criminal offense ... Where does it all end?The government must adhere to the Constitution at all times. Those government employees who violate it do so at their peril.
Why? The government (through the courts) has always had that right, not just to protect you from terrorists but for virtually any other reason. The second poll statement is the more interesting to me, because it seems to assume that the first statement is somehow contradictory to the idea that government would not be adhering to the Constitution if it chose to interpret the Bill of Rights broadly.I'm surprised that three people actually selected the first option. I wouldn't have expected anyone to select that.
Poll questions are not valid. You are asking people to respond by choosing between two options, neither one of which is supported by either writings of the Founding Fathers nor current scholarly opinion on Constitutional law because you've added the phrases "to protect me from terrorists" and "in the pursuit of terrorists."