Licensed gun owner aids Cicero, Chicago cops in shootout with suspect; 1 officer injured

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I'm not sure if that's courage or just stupidity. If I see someone in a shootout with the cops, it would take a very drastic situation for me to get in the middle of that. With multiple officers on the scene and undoubtedly more responding, it's impossible to predict how that'll play out when officers see you pull out a gun and start firing.

I'm glad nothing happen to the citizen and hope the original officers who was shot recovers quickly. I do wonder what kind of automatic weapon was used...
 
Civil lawsuits are not allowed against you (the good guy) for this action in the state of IL.

An IL resident researched this and described the law, on different website.

None of us would simply pull a gun and try to hit the bad guy without First trying to let the officer (under attack) , if possible, know that we are armed and want to help.
That could be as dumb as hearing your door bell ring late at night and walking to the door with a gun Visible in your hand. "Sir, your security system has been going off and they tried to call you...".

This happened, but before the sun went down, and I certainly didn't carry a gun to the door.
 
Ignition Override said:
That could be as dumb as hearing your door bell ring late at night and walking to the door with a gun Visible in your hand.
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Opening the door to a stranger late at night isn't too smart either unless you have turned on the porch light and verified that it's someone who can be trusted (e.g. uniformed police). It's not a bad idea to have a gun available but if you're not comfortable opening the door without it in hand, you shouldn't open the door at all.
 
what a crazy dynamic that must've been. I wonder how close he was (the armed citizen) to getting shot by the cops?

anybody else notice how, twice the article said, "automatic weapon"?
 
Ignition Override said:
Our porch lights are always on.
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Our exterior lights are off most of the time. Several of our neighbors leave theirs on all night and even all day. (Their side and back yards remain dark.) We've not lost anything. They have. The difference is that we keep our possessions behind locked doors. They leave theirs in their driveways. I think leaving the lights on just makes it easier for the thieves to see what's worth stealing.

If night time burglary becomes a problem, I still won't turn on exterior lights. Instead, I will set up a few high resolution cameras triggered by motion sensors. If someone breaks in, I want to be able to give the police a professional quality portrait of the intruder. A photo of his license plate would also be good. As the flash goes off, it would be fun to play an announcement, "Smile, a--h---. You're on candid camera."
 
I will set up a few high resolution cameras triggered by motion sensors.
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I'll save you a lot of trouble, basically waste of time, the false alarm rate is way too high, every bit as bad as "barking dogs". Sure barking dogs or motion activated lights scare away a few criminals but the 10 o'clock news is full of security camera footage of crimes where it didn't.

I've come up with an "open source" AI solution, briefly described in this thread:
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/artifical-intellegence-for-sentry-duty.839160/

I'm currently working with a local company that markets a spotting scope replacement system called "Target Vision" to see if we can modify it to run the AI for an of the shelf, standalone solution. He'd potentially get larger volumes for his hardware and have another sideline business (He already has spun off "Bird Vision" from it, but he walks a fine line between target shooters and Audubon/Peta types for marketing). I'd be thrilled to help car owners introduce driveway "smash and grab" perps to Mr 12Guage. Nothing is going to happen quickly at this point, But if you are are a computer geek, you can setup my system for ~$150-200, maybe a bit less if you have an "old" i3 notebook you can use for the task. PM me if interested.

I'm retired, not looking to start a business, the time window for this potential product is short now that Amazon has bought RING. Combining RING video doorbells with Amazon AI services (https://aws.amazon.com/rekognition/) is a no brainer, the only real issue is how many people will accept having Amazon get images of everyone coming and going from their property for facial recognition or whatever they can dream up for that data.
 
Kendahl:
A neighbor close to our former home in an east Memphis neighborhood is very well off due to his father's real estate business. The father helped to develop either real estate on Mud Island, or part of downtown, I seem to remember.

This careless neighbor left some expensive rifles one night in his truck, left in the driveway. They were stolen and he was surprised. The guy is so wealthy that he could buy any guns he wants.
Even being about 120 yards from Goodlett Ave. near Sec. Pres Church/PDS School is never a guarantee of a safe driveway.

The guy who bought Our Former house on Goodlett, very close to Sec. Pres. Church literally Struggled with an armed (handgun) thug who ambushed the owner when they returned home at night.
PM (message) me if you want to know how he made both thugs leave, and the homeowner Did Not have a weapon with him Nor any martial arts etc tng...
 
Similar incident happened just a few miles from me in Ft Myers where a passerby saw a cop getting pummeled on an off ramp and he shot the bad guy.

Everyone was armchair quarterbacking whether or not it was a good shoot as the man was just beating up the police officer.
 
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Our exterior lights are off most of the time. Several of our neighbors leave theirs on all night and even all day. (Their side and back yards remain dark.) We've not lost anything. They have. The difference is that we keep our possessions behind locked doors. They leave theirs in their driveways. I think leaving the lights on just makes it easier for the thieves to see what's worth stealing.

If night time burglary becomes a problem, I still won't turn on exterior lights. Instead, I will set up a few high resolution cameras triggered by motion sensors. If someone breaks in, I want to be able to give the police a professional quality portrait of the intruder. A photo of his license plate would also be good. As the flash goes off, it would be fun to play an announcement, "Smile, a--h---. You're on candid camera."
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I knew a cop from NYC that told me that exterior lighting just invites more crime. I was running a car dealership and thinking about putting exterior lighting out in the lot (even though my lot, of course, was not open at night) and he told me flat out that all that would do is increase the chance of criminal behavior on the lot.

His reasoning was simple: if a criminal has lighting, he can see what he's doing better and consequently, he can see his surroundings better too. In other words, the perpetrator gains confidence that they can commit a crime more easily, if the area that the perpetrator wants to steal from is lit up. On the flip side of that same logic, if the area is not lit up, that is, the house or business, etc., does not have much exterior or interior lighting (that can be seen from the exterior) then said perp has no idea if someone is inside or not. A dark house poses more problems for any potential criminal because he simply does not know what is going on inside the house, and because the exterior is not lit up, he cannot know, with much confidence, what kind of security the house/business has. So, he's less likely to take the risk of robbing a place that is not well lighted.
 
Any comment yet from Rahm, Barack, and all the rest of the gun-hating crowd, who tell us every single day that armed citizens don't ever save a single soul, and only create havoc and death?

"Similar incident happened just a few miles from me in Ft Myers where a passerby saw a cop getting pummeled "

Now that story gives me warm fuzzies - too bad most of the modern left views this is a bad thing, because "all cops deserve" to be beaten or killed.
 
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Any comment yet from Rahm, Barack, and all the rest of the gun-hating crowd, who tell us every single day that armed citizens don't ever save a single soul, and only create havoc and death?

"Similar incident happened just a few miles from me in Ft Myers where a passerby saw a cop getting pummeled "

Now that story gives me warm fuzzies - too bad most of the modern left views this is a bad thing, because "all cops deserve" to be beaten or killed.
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Did you hear the voice in the background of the video? Whoever was taking it sounded panicky when they said the citizen "had a gun". Then he practically screamed when the citizen shot the perp.
 
JTHunter said:
Did you hear the voice in the background of the video? Whoever was taking it sounded panicky when they said the citizen "had a gun". Then he practically screamed when the citizen shot the perp.
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Well, yeeeeaah ---he was scared! Even cops don't react like Dirty Harry when under fire. As much as I did, and do, love those old flicks, repeatable now at my whim due to dvd, that's hollywood. Harry Callahan was cool. He could tell a supervisor that he was "a legend in his own mind" and not get docked pay or a suspension, because, HOLLYWOOD.
We probably are gonna get a bit juiced if we ever find ourselves in a life/death struggle. The thing is, do we have what it takes to survive and prevail?
Remember, courage is not fearless indifference to mortal threat, it's reacting as necessary despite the fact we're quaking in our shoes.
Despite the fact we are gonna need a new pair of underwear.
 
DannyLandrum said:
Any comment yet from Rahm, Barack, and all the rest of the gun-hating crowd, who tell us every single day that armed citizens don't ever save a single soul, and only create havoc and death?

"Similar incident happened just a few miles from me in Ft Myers where a passerby saw a cop getting pummeled "

Now that story gives me warm fuzzies - too bad most of the modern left views this is a bad thing, because "all cops deserve" to be beaten or killed.
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They will just make the argument that if guns were banned, there wouldn't be any need for armed citizens
 
They will just make the argument that if guns were banned, there wouldn't be any need for armed citizens
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Yup, and since drugs are banned there is no need for drug treatment, right?

I think when they make these stupid, absolutist arguments they actually end up helping us.
 
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