Liquid explosives are liquid BS

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I am a Chemical Engineer (retired but still remember a little). There are so many liquids that could be mixed that would cause a plan to "come down" not just from the explosion but from the vapors. Hell a coke bottle bull of something as common as gasoline lit off inside a pressurised cabin would do the trick.:neener:
 
Oh yea, I forgot to mention that its getting close to mid-term election time. Gotta remind the people somehow, that we are at war.:cuss:
 
BIGJACK Mentioned Fuel

How hard would it be for someone to make the entire cabin of an airplane into an aerosol bomb, with two or three terrorists running the length of the cabin dispensing the fuel into an aerosol mist and setting it off with a match or a spark from a piece of flint? Got any explosives experts here who can comment on such a scenario?

Woody

If you want security, buy a gun. If you want longevity, learn how to use it. If you want freedom, carry it. There is nothing worth more than freedom you win for yourself. There is nothing more valuable than the tools of the right that make it possible. B.E.Wood
 
Oh yes, high school chemistry

Art:

I recall in my H.S. chemistry class, our teacher drying the oil off of a match-head-sized piece of (bleep) and dropping it into water. A few seconds later whizzzzzz, fizzzzz, spark, smoke and ka-boooooomers, shattering a 1" (1 inch) thick glass container. One of the strangest thing I had ever seen. He told us that when he and his chemistry buddies were in the university, they used to flush it down the toilets. He then went on to become a demolition expert for the Army. He was pretty wild!

Gene

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As far as stripping people naked or having them go naked to stop a terrorist it would not work.

There are enough natural cavities in the human body to carrry a payload enough to destroy plane. If the natural cavities are not enough it is not difficult to implant large packages in the human body with extremely basic medical procedures.

Even if you sedated everyone ( impossible to do safely considering numbers involved ) I'd bet someone could figure out a way for an implant to detonate in a timed fashion (Someting dissolving/thawing/being moved down GI tract for timing mechanism).

If I am understanding the current procedure you go through security wait in the "sterile" area and get searched again prior to boarding the plane. If this is correct. (anyone flying recently please jump in I'm going on news accounts:barf: )Then TSA is admiting it has lost control of the "sterile" area where the gift shops and food/drink vendors are otherwise there would be no need for another search.

NukemJim
 
Yeah and when we make the airlines absolutely impossible to smuggle anything onto, some wack job with a surface to air missle will simply shoot it down. Or bomb a mall. Or something. We are a nation of soft ,softer and softest targets.
 
Yeah, the "sterile" areas are a joke. They take appart the passengers' bags to make them feel "secure", but what are they going to do about all the concessions? Can they take apart every package of food that comes in? There are tons of food, shipped in on big trucks every day to the concessions in the "sterile" area that probably get little or no scrutiny. Bruce Schneier calls the passenger searches "security theater" because that's what it is. They might as well not even have the checks.

And yeah, let's say the do the ultimate in security. Every passenger is stripped naked and given a lethal injection before being wheeled onto the plane. No luggage of any kind is allowed; just dead naked bodies. Oh and we give them all a CAT scan before they go on. Couldn't get any more secure than that, right?

A 50 cal MG in the flight path could still take the plane down and I know for a fact that the approach areas in a lot of airports have enough space for a guy with an MG to do his work. And when a major airport is busy there are often half a dozen planes on approach. A guy with a 50 cal could probably get two or three of them. So even if you used my security procedure above (stripped-naked bodies + lethal injection) it still wouldn't be secure.

Missiles are hard to get but 50 cal MGs are easy.
 
Doc2005: Ya mean the stuff ya store in kerosene? Eons ago, a student at TAMU took a small chunk that was wrapped in a kerosene-soaked paper towel and flushed it.

That became known as the night A&M lost its head.

I used to do that with M80s.

:), Art
 
Ahh, Yes...

It's the old, "Flush-the-cherry-bomb-down-the-toilet-and-force-the-girl-in-the-girl's-room-stall-on-the-other-side-of-the-wall-to-call-home-for-a-clean-change-of-clothes" trick.

I remember it well.

Woody

I plead the 5th.
 
Thing is, whatever they're afraid of in the cabin will still be allowed on the plane. Just in the cargo hold.

Remember Lockerbie? What difference does it make if they're worried about nitro, slurried explosives, or alkali metals?
 
LGN, I think it's important to question what's reported in the press, but in this particular case I'll believe the man who was a manufacturer and seller of liquid explosives more readily than I will another member of the media.
 
hm

dimethylmercury.

acquaintance of my cousin's was working with that stuff. a single drop fell off of her pipette, landed on her latex glove. burned a hole through her latex glove right away, burned through her skin, and entered her bloodstream.

within minutes, she was dead.

very deadly stuff. specially made gloves, i'm told, only buy you time.

cuz works for columbia univ's chem dept. i asked him, "so how do you handle this stuff safely?"

"simple! REFUSE TO HANDLE DIMETHYLMERCURY, no matter how much your boss pressures you to do so... ."

....

HERE'S A THOUGHT.

what if the terrs didn't really plan on blowing up any planes all along? what if the plot was real, but the guys caught were just poor sots given essentially a suicide mission? what if the real, the REAL objective of the terrs was to effectively cripple part of our economy, without actually killing anyone and incurring minimal political disfavor ?

sun tzu would have appreciated the prudence of such an effective strategy.
 
Originally Posted by BIGJACK:

Oh yea, I forgot to mention that its getting close to mid-term election time. Gotta remind the people somehow, that we are at war.:cuss:
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Bigjack, I would buy you a beer for that if I could. You hit what I believe is the real reason we are being reminded of the war on terror.


I think that this is the real reason why TSA is making up these nonsense issues up. I understand they could blow up a plane. How far are we going to take this nonsense? When will they start to require travel passes? When will you need to request permission to travel? Its going to get worse before it gets better.
 
Hopefully they'll just ban passengers. Every time something happens on a plane it gets traced back to a stinkin' passenger! I say remove them all and everything will be safe, and much faster too. :p
 
One of the recipes used for making glass reflective if done wrong produces a liguid explosive that will self detonate. I am not naming it or the chemistry involved but just saying that a binary explosive is very realistic and possible. Other very nasty weapons are also likely possible I reasonably believe

I agree with the ban.
 
Oh yea, I forgot to mention that its getting close to mid-term election time. Gotta remind the people somehow, that we are at war.
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That is the only reason this whole mess is kicking off.
On our side of the pond it's so B'liar can appear as our
saviour ..........again:cuss:

When this happened last time, they stationed TANKS outside of Heathrow airport.
Pure PR BS, what the hell is "TANK" gonna do against terrorist bombers:confused:
 
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Hmm, 9/11 did happen, and it was fanatical Muslims that did it. They want to do it again, and they have tried. We're at war with these scumbags that don't have a uniform. Now all of a sudden nearly 5 years after 9/11 when the governments of our nation, and of our allies abroad tell us that a terrorist attack has been foiled it's politically motivated? A stunt? Something that didn't really happen?

Well if that doesn't sound like a grassy knoll conspiracy theory I don't know what does. It's almost like the kooks trying to tell me that planes didn't slam into the WTC despite what I saw with my own to eyes, and listened to with my own two ears.

It's why God gave us two of each, and only one mouth. So we could watch and listen twice as much as we talked.

It's gotten to the point where nothing short of a series of attacks on this country by an outside enemy will wake the sleeping lot up. One would have thought 9/11 would have been that call, but unfortunately our 30 minute sitcom driven society has slipped back into instant gratification mode and they're subscribing to the next best thing.

:banghead:
 
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The only way to stop it would to be to put all passengers in paper suits with absolutely no carry on items. You would probably need to sedate everyone as well
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Right; and in order to raise the safety of those in the terminals - not throw all the striiped items together into trash bins for "collection".

Explosives disguised in appearence and or consistancy to other things have been around since before WW2. During WW2 the OSS and other organizations played around with all kinds of interesting things.

Which regarding Al Kidya and the other ongoing "threats" further begs the question; who's kidding who? Someone(s) is not telling the truth about much of anything from the start in this so-called "war".

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Terrorism does not require death and destruction every time there is a plot. Just the threat and the reminder does damage, some of it self inflicted in poor responses to that threat.
 
It's amazing that the fact that the apparent inability of the terrorists to achieve their goals is being taken as evidence that said terrorists didn't exist.
 
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