List of states with duty to retreat

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Just what the thread title says. Which states have a "duty to retreat" law? In which states does this apply to public places only, and in which ones does it extend into your own home?

And if you want to list states with "stand your ground" and "castle doctrine" as well, be my guest.

Packing.org has been down for awhile, so I dunno where else to check.
 
IANAL

Virginia legislation does not impose a duty to retreat, nor does it provide a "castele doctrine" protection. The case law allows for both circumstances, as well as "stand your ground". A good explanation of each can be found at www.virginia1774.org

stay safe.

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New Jersey is a "Duty To Squeal Like a Little Girl" state as regards to personal defense when faced with violence.
 
OH barely recognizes "castle" in your own home....

Otherwise, it's "duty to retreat"....

Forget about protecting property.... :what:

Criminal and terrorist friendly legislators.... :fire:

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Oregon used to be a "Duty to Retreat" state until State v. Sandoval was decided earlier this year.

State v. Sandoval

Here is some of the highlights which attacked the previous Charles case which ruled "Duty to Retreat" the law of the land in Oregon back in 1982:

The state's reliance on Charles is understandable. In that case, this court rejected a defendant's claim that the trial court had erred in refusing to instruct a jury that a person has no duty to retreat before using deadly force to defend against an imminent use of deadly force by another. The court there stated that such an instruction would be contrary to "the Oregon cases, [which] require a defendant * * * to avoid the threatened danger where it is possible to do so without sacrificing his own safety." 293 Or at 284. The problem with that pronouncement, however, is that the court based that decision entirely on its analysis of "the Oregon cases," while the right of self defense is set out in the two statutes previously discussed.

Indeed, the entire analytical flow of the Charles opinion is distinctly odd: The court did not examine the wording of either ORS 161.209 or 161.219 at all. Instead, the court set out the wording that the Oregon Criminal Law Commission had proposed to the legislature regarding the use of deadly force as part of the final draft of the proposed 1971 Criminal Code, which wording explicitly imposed a duty of retreat to avoid the necessity of using deadly force. Then, after noting that the 1971 legislature had rejected that wording, the court cited a view expressed in the Oregon Criminal Law Commission's Commentary to the 1971 Code to the effect that "the statute probably was not necessary" because of existing Oregon case law. 293 Or at 278 (discussing Commentary to Criminal Law Revision Commission Proposed Oregon Criminal Code, Final Draft and Report § 23, at 23-25 (Jul 1970)). Then, without discussing at all the fact that the Oregon legislature had adopted statutes on the subject, the court concluded, inexplicably, that "Oregon case law * * * controls the subject." 293 Or at 277. The court then went on to discuss its prior cases (and to conclude that they did not support the defendant's claim that Oregon does not recognize a "duty of retreat.")

Although, from our present perspective, it seems surprising that this court would attempt to answer the question presented in Charles without resort to the controlling criminal statutes, that is precisely what the Charles court did.. The court's analysis did not focus on or even consider the words of the statutes that we now recognize to be pivotal. Neither did the court conclude, as the state suggests, that the drafters of ORS 161.219 had decided to "continue" the "common-law rules" as explicated in the various self-defense cases that preceded the enactment of that statute. Charles, therefore, has nothing to contribute to our present effort, which is to discern what the legislature intended with respect to the "duty of retreat" question.


The issue really has is whether or not duty to retreat is actually in statute, or is it in case law. New Jersey has duty to retreat in statute. Oregon did not have it in their statutes, and Florida did not either, where courts basically used "common law" rather than controlling criminal statutes to determine that persons using deadly force had a duty to retreat. It is completely illegitimate for any court to read a "duty to retreat" when non exist in the statute, but that's precisely what many courts in the south did.

Florida's and many other states reasons for interpreting duty to retreat are even more sinister (Duty to retreat was enforced only against persons who were of a certain color and/or had a negative social standing in the community until the 1950's and 1960's).

As for the Charles court, it would appear that the Oregon Supreme Court in 1982 like the idea of "duty to retreat" so they wrote up a opinion supporting their opinion rather than actually look at the statute.
 
Florida is (as of 2005) a Castle Doctrine state, for those of you who don't already know. No person has a duty to retreat as long as he/she is in a place that he/she has a right to be. This inlcudes the home (or any dwelling or residence) as well as an automobile, a street corner, or someone else's home if you are there as an invited guest.

The crime here around Orlando is becoming too much to bear. Murder is up by 29% in the past year alone, and the year before that Orlando had its all time highest murder rate. This year it appears there will be murders in the triple digits in Orange county. I'm moving to the Tampa/St. Petersburg area in January. They have less violent crime per capita there, and four times as many police officers per capita.

If only we had open carry in Florida...
 
Well, there won't be open carry in Florida until someone contacts their local legislator and asks them to repeal s. 790.053, or until Marion Hammer speaks up and tries to repeal that law or fold open carry into the CWFL law.
 
"New Jersey is a "Duty To Squeal Like a Little Girl" state"..........almost

NJ has a Duty to Retreat law, except in your own home. Then, you only have a duty to retreat if you "instigated the altercation", or if you're attacked by someone who lives in the same dwelling. That makes about as much sense as the rest of the anti self-defense laws here. :barf:
 
Before this goes any further and begins to drive me nuts, remember "Castle Doctrine" was an exception to the duty to retreat at common law. This exception to the duty to retreat occured when one was inside his residence.

The elimination of the duty to retreat is called "eliminating the duty to retreat and joining the majority of the states without the duty to retreat."

"Castle Doctrine" has a specific meaning, please do not allow the media to corrupt yet another definition.
 
El Tejon,

I'm confused by your post. In Texas we recently passed what is know colloquially as 'Castle Doctrine'. Is the term incorrectly being used?
 
In Massachusetts one must do everything possible to retreat to safety in public but even if the person can't retreat they can only use deadly force to a stop a life threatening attack. That is why it makes little sense to CCW in this state. In ones home there is no duty to retreat but the same rule applies that one can only use deadly force in a life threatening situation. A burglar is not considered a threat unless they are armed and make a threat.
 
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MaterDei: I believe the term is in fact used incorrectly.

"Castle Doctrine," as I understand it, is the idea that "a man's home is his castle," and consequently, he has no duty to retreat from invaders of his home. While in his home, he can stand his ground, and doesn't have to exhaust all avenues of flight before confronting an intruder with force. I believe this is frequently extended to your business, as well (if you own it?)

The laws we're discussing are, as El Tejon says, "elimination of the duty to retreat when you're not in your home." I sometimes see it called the "stand your ground" law, which basically says that if you are in a place you have every legal right to be, you do not have a legal duty to retreat prior to using force on an attacker. I'm sure there are legal nuances that I have not adequately captured, though - IANAL.

Of course, it might be prudent to retreat, or you might feel it's not worth standing your ground, but as I understand them these laws remove the legal obligation to retreat.
 
Maryland is a "Squeal/Run like a little girl' unless you are physically inside your house in which case you are allowed to use "Reasonable/APPROPRIATE Force"

So, basically you are expected to turn your back on an armed BG to retreat into your house from your back yard....

Its utterly absurd.
 
CT Office of Legal Research (OLR) just did a recent study on the state's deadly force laws.

In Connecticut, there is a duty to retreat in public. I read this as no duty to retreat when in one's home.

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2007/rpt/2007-R-0052.htm

Topic:
CRIMINAL LAW; REAL PROPERTY; SELF DEFENSE;
Location:
CRIMINAL LAW;

January 17, 2007
2007-R-0052

CASTLE DOCTRINE AND SELF-DEFENSE

By: Christopher Reinhart, Senior Attorney

You asked about the “castle doctrine,” how it acquired its name, how many states have adopted bills on it, and any information about its effect in states that have adopted it.

SUMMARY

Generally, the “castle doctrine” provides that someone attacked in his home can use reasonable force, which can include deadly force, to protect his or another's life without any duty to retreat from the attacker. It is defined differently in different states. The name appears to have its origin in the English common law rules protecting a person's home and the phrase “one's home is one's castle. ”

In recent years, a number of states have adopted or considered bills referred to as “castle doctrine” bills. These bills expand the circumstances where a person can use self-defense without retreating and contain other provisions, such as immunity for someone who legally uses force in self-defense. A Washington Post article states that the Florida bill was given the name the “castle doctrine” by Florida lobbyist Marion P. Hammer, a former National Rifle Association president (“Florida Gun Law to Expand Leeway for Self-Defense,” Washington Post, April 26, 2005). These bills have also been called “stand your ground” bills.

We found 15 states that adopted a “castle doctrine” bill in the last two years. These states are: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Oklahoma, South Carolina, and South Dakota. A number of other states considered bills on this topic. In New Hampshire, the legislature passed a “castle doctrine” bill but the governor vetoed it.

These “castle doctrine” bills contain a number of different provisions and the states vary in which provisions they adopted. Some of these expanded the circumstances where force could be used in self-defense without a duty to retreat, some adopted provisions on criminal or civil immunity for legally using force in self-defense, and some contained all of these provisions.

We could not find any studies on the impact of these laws. A June 11, 2006 Orlando Sentinel article stated that it was too early to see the impact of Florida's new law, which took effect October 1, 2005, and there were no statewide statistics on the number of self-defense claims before or after that date. The newspaper found 13 people who used self-defense in central Florida over five months (resulting in six deaths and four people wounded). In the investigation of the 13 people who used self-defense, three were charged with a crime, five cleared, and the others were still under review. The newspaper stated that police and prosecutors handled investigations of these cases in a range of ways. A copy of this article is attached (“Cases Involving the New Deadly Force Law are Handled in a Broad Range of Ways,” Orlando Sentinel, June 11, 2006).

The sections below describe provisions in the “castle doctrine” bills and Connecticut's laws on self-defense.

“CASTLE DOCTRINE” BILLS

We found 15 states that adopted a “castle doctrine” bill in the last two years. Some of these expanded the circumstances where force could be used in self-defense without a duty to retreat, some adopted provisions on criminal or civil immunity for legally using force in self-defense, and some contained all of these provisions. In general, the bills contained at least one of the following provisions.

1. They remove the duty to retreat from an aggressor using force or deadly force under certain circumstances. The states vary in how broadly this applies. For example, Alaska expands the types of premises where a person does not have a duty to retreat when using force in defense of self to include any place the person resides, a place where he is a guest, and his workplace. The Alaska law also applies to protecting a child or member of the person's household, regardless of location.

2. Kansas removes the duty to retreat from its use of force statutes and adds a general statement that a person not engaged in illegal activity who is attacked in a place where he has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his ground and meet force with force.

3. Some states add a legal presumption about when a person is justified in using force against intruders. For example, Florida added a presumption that a person using force had a reasonable fear of death or serious injury to himself or another if (a) the person against whom he used force was illegally and forcefully entering a dwelling or occupied vehicle, was in the process of doing so, or removed or was attempting to remove a person against his will and (b) the person using force knew or had reason to believe this was occurring. These presumptions, which vary by state, have exceptions and do not apply under specified circumstances, such as when (a) the person force is used against had a right to be in the dwelling or was a lawful resident, (b) the person using force was engaged in illegal activity, or (c) the person force is used against is a law enforcement officer performing his duties who identified himself or the person using force knew or should have known the person was an officer.

4. Some states, such as Florida, include a presumption that a person who illegally or forcefully enters or attempts to enter a dwelling or occupied vehicle is presumed to be doing so with intent to commit an illegal act involving force or violence.

5. Many of the bills provide immunity from criminal prosecution for a person who legally uses force or deadly force. This can apply to arrest, detention in custody, charging, and prosecuting. Some also specify that law enforcement is authorized to use standard procedures to investigate but cannot arrest the person unless there is probable cause that the use of force was unlawful.

6. Many also provide immunity from civil actions for a person who is justified in using force or deadly physical force. They require a court to award reasonable attorney's fees, costs, compensation for lost income, and expenses if the court finds that the person acted lawfully and is immune from prosecution.

CONNECTICUT LAW

Under Connecticut law, a person may use physical force (self defense): to protect himself or a third person, his home or office, or his property; to make an arrest or prevent an escape; or to perform certain duties (for example, a corrections officer may use force to maintain order and discipline, a teacher to protect a minor, and a parent to discipline a child). A person cannot use physical force to resist arrest by a reasonably identifiable peace officer, whether the arrest is legal or not (CGS § 53a-23).

Self defense or justification is a defense in any prosecution (CGS § 53a-16). The person claiming justification has the initial burden of producing sufficient evidence to assert self-defense. When raised as a defense at a trial, the state has the burden of disproving self defense beyond a reasonable doubt (CGS § 53a-12).

Physical Force in Defense of Person

A person is justified in using reasonable physical force on another person to defend himself or a third person from what he reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of physical force. The defender may use the degree of force he reasonably believes is necessary to defend himself or a third person. But deadly physical force cannot be used unless the actor reasonably believes that the attacker is using or about to use deadly physical force or inflicting or about to inflict great bodily harm.

Additionally, a person is not justified in using deadly physical force if he knows he can avoid doing so with complete safety by:

1. retreating, except from his home or office in cases where he was not the initial aggressor or except in cases where he a peace officer, special policeman, or a private individual assisting a peace officer or special policeman at the officer's directions regarding an arrest or preventing an escape;
2. surrendering possession to property the aggressor claims to own; or

3. obeying a demand that he not take an action he is not otherwise required to take.

Lastly, a person is not justified in using physical force when (1) with intent to cause physical injury or death to another person, he provokes the person to use physical force, (2) use of such force was the product of a combat by agreement not specifically authorized by law, or (3) he is the initial aggressor (unless he withdraws from the encounter, effectively communicates this intent to the other person, and the other person continues to or threatens to use physical force) (CGS § 53a-19).

Physical Force in Defense of Premises

A person who possesses or controls property or has a license or privilege to be in or on it is justified in using reasonable physical force when and to the extent he reasonably believes it to be necessary to stop another from trespassing or attempting to trespass in or upon it. The owner can use deadly physical force only (1) to defend a person as described above, (2) when he reasonably believes it is necessary to prevent the trespasser from attempting to commit arson or any violent crime, or (3) to the extent he reasonably believes it is necessary to stop someone from forcibly entering his home or workplace (and for the sole purpose of stopping the intruder) (CGS § 53a-20).

Physical Force in Defense of Property

A person is justified in using reasonable physical force when and to the extent he reasonably believes it necessary to (1) prevent attempted larceny or criminal mischief involving property or (2) regain property that he reasonably believes was stolen shortly before.

When defending property, deadly force may be used only when it is necessary to defend a person from the use or imminent use of deadly physical force or infliction or imminent infliction of great bodily harm as described above (CGS § 53a-21).

Supreme Court Decision on Self Defense

In 1984, the Connecticut Supreme Court articulated the test for determining the degree of force warranted in a given case. Whether or not a person was justified in using force to protect his person or property is a question of fact that focuses on what the person asserting the defense reasonably believed under the circumstances (State v. DeJesus, 194 Conn. 376, 389 (1984)). The test for the degree of force in self-defense is a subjective-objective one. The jury must view the situation from the defendant's perspective; this is the subjective component. The jury must then decide whether the defendant's belief was reasonable (DeJesus at 389 n. 13).

CR: dw
 
I think the Castle Doctrine bills extend the "castle" to your car, your workplace and anywhere in public where you are permitted to be, so it would be correct to use the term.
 
Would be interesting to see what, if any, effects are found on crime rates in the 15 stated that adopted castle doctrine. I assume it's too early for anyone to have done any research on that?
 
MD may actually give you more leeway than you would think. It appears that you don't have to retreat if you are in imminent danger.

Here is the (apparent) controlling opinion on self-defense outside the home: Sydnor v. State (Md. Ct. App. 2001)

Relevant portion (p5)
(the near-model for a MD self-defense jury instruction)
"In addition, before using deadly force, the defendant is required
to make all reasonable efforts to retreat. Defendant does not
have to retreat if the defendant was in his home or retreat was
unsafe or the avenue of retreat was unknown to the defendant or
the defendant was being robbed at the moment that the force
was used or the defendant was lawfully arresting the victim."

Relevant portion (p11)
There remain as essential elements of the defense the “duty of the defendant to retreat or avoid danger if such means
were within his power and consistent with his safety,” . . . and that the accused have “used no more force than
the exigency required.”

Relevant portion (p14):
We have never adopted the view, and are unwilling to do so now, that,
other than when acting pursuant to an absolute command of the law, a person may use deadly
force against another when the use of that deadly force, at the moment and in the circumstance
used, was not necessary to protect against an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury.
Under this view, which is the established Maryland law, the right to use deadly force to resist
a robbery, or other attempted or ongoing assault or felony, exists only during the time that the
victim of the attack reasonably believes that such force is necessary to repel an imminent
danger of death or serious bodily harm — during the time that “the exigency demanded” the
use of such force
.

Relevant portion (p16):
The issue in a self defense situation, under current Maryland law, is not whether the criminal enterprise is still
in operation, but whether deadly force is then and there necessary to avoid imminent danger
of death or serious bodily harm to the victim of the offense. If it is not, deadly force may not
be used because its use (1) would be excessive and not required by the exigency of the
moment, and therefore (2) would not then be for true self-defense, but for some other purpose
— to prevent the felon’s escape, perhaps, or to recover the stolen property.

And p16n.4:
4 The dissent views this Opinion as requiring victims of violent crimes “to submit to
being robbed and beaten at gunpoint, without the right to respond with all necessary force
during the act.” That is not the case. The victim of any violent crime does have the right to
respond “with all necessary force during the act.” The question is what force was necessary.
Using deadly force to recover property is not necessary, and, indeed, with ordinary civilians
blazing away while running down the street, it is more likely to result in the death or injury to
innocent bystanders, than it is to slay or capture the robber. Under long-standing Maryland law,
deadly force may be used when the exigency demands it, to resist the imminent danger of death
or serious bodily harm. Short of that, only non-deadly force may be used.

Since I'm not a MD lawyer, take it with a grain of salt . . .
 
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Very helpful so far, thanks.

One thing I'm kinda confused about, though:

CT Office of Legal Research (OLR) just did a recent study on the state's deadly force laws.

In Connecticut, there is a duty to retreat in public. I read this as no duty to retreat when in one's home.

Text of the relevant CT state law is:

(b) Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (a) of this section, a person is not justified in using deadly physical force upon another person if he knows that he can avoid the necessity of using such force with complete safety

(1) by retreating, except that the actor shall not be required to retreat if he is in his dwelling, as defined in section 53a-100, or place of work and was not the initial aggressor, or if he is a peace officer or a private person assisting such peace officer at his direction, and acting pursuant to section 53a-22, or

(2) by surrendering possession of property to a person asserting a claim of right thereto, or

(3) by complying with a demand that he abstain from performing an act which he is not obliged to perform.

(emphasis added)

However, PA state law is practically identical:

2. The use of deadly force is not justifiable under this section unless the actor believes that such force is necessary to protect himself against death, serious bodily injury, kidnapping or sexual intercourse compelled by force or threat; nor is it justifiable if:

i. the actor, with the intent of causing death or serious bodily injury, provoked the use of force against himself in the same encounter; or

ii. the actor knows that he can avoid the necessity of using such force with complete safety by retreating or by surrendering possession of a thing to a person asserting a claim of right thereto or by complying with a demand that he abstain from any action which he has no duty to take, except that:

(A) the actor is not obliged to retreat from his dwelling or place of work, unless he was the initial aggressor or is assailed in his place of work by another person whose place of work the actor knows it to be; and

(B) a public officer justified in using force in the performance of his duties or a person justified in using force in his assistance or a person justified in using force in making an arrest or preventing an escape is not obliged to desist from efforts to perform such duty, effect such arrest or prevent such escape because of resistance or threatened resistance by or on behalf of the person against whom such action is directed.

(emphasis added again)

Yet CT is commonly known as a duty to retreat state, and PA is not. I'm pretty certain that PA case law has upheld a reasonable definition of "complete safety;" i.e., if you're being mugged by an unarmed, naked, quadruplegic man who has no wheelchair, then you are not justified in using deadly force. But if there is any risk whatsoever of being pursued, shot in the back, have something thrown at you, etc., you have no obligation whatsoever to retreat, as you do not have "complete safety." Has CT case law upheld a goofy definition of "complete safety," or is this just overzealous interpretation of state law?

I'm making a graded list of states based on CCW laws and NFA regulations. If CT case history is actually more like PA's, then it's going to be somewhat high on the list. Especially since they're effectively "shall-issue," though not officially so, and the CCW price has gone down, I think (didn't it used to be $115 or something? It's $35, now).
 
New Jersey is a "Duty To Squeal Like a Little Girl" state as regards to personal defense when faced with violence.

This is not so Cavalry. This is all from the Attorney General of NJ Use of Force Training manual.

"a private citizen is not justified in using deadly force if the person knows that he or she can avoid the necessity of using deadly force with complete safety by retreating. The duty to retreat only applies in situations involving deadly force, not to situations involving non-deadly force."

There are different rules for the home.

"A person is not required to retreat from his or her dwelling before using deadly force. A person may stand at the threshold of his or her home and prevent an assailant from entering by any means."

There is a pretty standard definition of justification of the use of deadly force and one part that may seem surprising coming from NJ.

"the homeowner reasonably believed that the intruder would inflict personal injury upon the homeowner or others in the dwelling, or the homeowner demanded that the intruder disarm, surrender, or withdraw, and the intruder refused to do so".

So in NJ you have to retreat (if you can do so in complete safety) in public but are not required to do so at home.

There are plenty of things wrong with NJ but use of force requirements are not absurd.

In reality most people will do what they have to do in a givem situation and worry about what the law says later.

There is not a lot of sense in not escaping a deadly force situation if you can.
 
K-Romulus...good post....I've never seen anything before that supports anything short of Duty to Retreat in Md and there have been a number of people that I recall were prosecuted for defending themselves in public against a direct/imminent threat.

That case gives me more hope.

k-romulus said:
MD may actually give you more leeway than you would think. It appears that you don't have to retreat if you are in imminent danger.

Here is the (apparent) controlling opinion on self-defense outside the home: Sydnor v. State (Md. Ct. App. 2005)
 
Interestingly California has never had a duty to retreat law. I find it kind of ironic that so many of the other much more gun friendly states have had or do have this law in place.

However, in CA the when and under what circumstance a person can use deadly force is pretty complex and takes careful reading any maybe a degree in law to really understand when it is legal. I think this probably goes for all states.

I found and quick and dirty comparison of this area of the law between California and Florida here.

http://www.crpa.org/showpages.asp?pid=1213
 
MaterDei, no problem - as someone mentioned, the recent use is likely because castle doctrine is being "extended," but I still prefer "stand your ground" to describe them.

Yet CT is commonly known as a duty to retreat state, and PA is not.

Is PA not generally considered a duty-to-retreat state? I assumed it was. I mean, I live in PA, and so I checked the laws, but I figured it was just lumped in with the "places that haven't yet passed 'stand your ground' laws." It may just not have received a lot of media attention, perhaps?

No contradiction implied; I just thought it was unusual to put it that way.
 
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