Little reminder to know local laws...not just gun ones either

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This whole thing is crap. We should be pushing to either have one country or let's do the final split and go for broke. The whole gas pumping thing is crazy, and the ammo bit is even worse. Nuke the entire state and get on with it.
 
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Actually, the law was primarily put through by unions to ensure the gas stations will have to hire extra help.
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Union and labor influence is likely the real reason.


Gas station attendants are not unionized in NJ or anywhere else i know of.
 
Gas station attendants are not unionized in NJ or anywhere else i know of.

I did some reading on this purely out of curiosity.

From what I could find it seems the law was put in place in 1949 for safety concerns but attempts to remove it have failed because of the number of job losses that would be incurred, so it's survival is labor based, though not union.

Very interesting stuff written about the law, that's for sure. First I'd ever heard of it.

Similar law in Oregon, found this funny bit of writing about that:

Oregon passed a law in 2001 which grants, “motorcyclists the right to pump their own gas — but the pump still had to be operated by the gas attendant, handed off to the motorcyclist, and handed back to the attendant.” Motorcyclists, a major source of organs for transplantation, are apparently smarter than automobile motorists.

The President of the New Jersey Council of Mayors had this to say :

Paying attendants to pump gas is very expensive, so much so that many gas stations curtail their hours in order to save money. As a result, most New Jersey gas stations are very small when compared with neighboring states.

The “bottom line” of our current situation is that New Jersey consumers pay more for gas, have considerably less availability than neighboring states, and are prohibited from taking advantage of up to 5% credit card discounts by “paying at the pump.”

The question then becomes: if the prohibition against self-service in New Jersey was lifted, thereby saving 10 to15 cents per gallon in attendant delivery charges, and an increase in the gas tax of 15 cents per gallon was implemented at the same time, consumers would not experience any price increase, gas would be much more readily available, and a stable source of future transportation funding would be realized.

Also, think about the thousands of construction jobs that would be created as New Jersey’s existing gas stations were replaced by the mega stations you see in neighboring states, most of which also include 24-hour convenience stores.

The displacement of attendants would be more than offset by the hiring necessary to staff the 24 hour operations of self-service stations.

Completely and totally off topic yet it does tie in to the gun thing in that the thinking is similar to the "let the state take care of everything" attitude regarding guns and law enforcement.

It would seem to be more of a business decision for a gas station than a legal one. Very interesting stuff. That the law stays in place is similar to lots of gun laws, New Jersey's hollow point thing for instance. 2 perfect examples of "We have to leave these laws in place because that's the way we've always done it" mentality.
 
Just a little curious here, what if I go into one of these Nazi states and tell the attendant, "Thanks, but I've been pumping my own gas for longer than you've been alive (figuring I'm much older than most of the attendants) and feel I can do it better than you."?
 
"Thanks, but I've been pumping my own gas for longer than you've been alive (figuring I'm much older than most of the attendants) and feel I can do it better than you."?

From what I can find it's a $500 fine.
 
"Out of state LEO is just another civilian regardless of HR 218"

You say regardless, but that's what HR218 says. It states you have no police powers and are bound by the same rules as a local permit holder.


That is correct. I didn't say what i meant to or in the way I intended it. I was not trying to infer that we should have our police powers nationwide...with HR 218 we can carry nationwide...with OR without it...we are still carrying as civilians in another state. Does that make better sense??

As for my shield on the belt..I come from a very rural area upstate...its a normal habit to place my shield right in front of my holster. Our tins don't fit in any ID wallets very well but most of us have belt clips for them since they seem to work better. But now, since that incident, I picked up a coat with one of the cell phone pockets in the front and I've been carrying it in there. Works better that way. Live and learn. Like I said, I learned some lessons that night and not the hard way. Now to put the lessons learned to use.
 
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"Thanks, but I've been pumping my own gas for longer than you've been alive (figuring I'm much older than most of the attendants) and feel I can do it better than you."?

They would not be able to understand your strange language, American Unbeliever.
 
I find that all of my complaints about Alabama law seem trivial in light of NJ's arbitrary prohibitions. I thank God that people around here still have some fight in them.

It's a sad commentary on the state of our nation that one has to know such details in order to avoid arrest, fines, or occasionally being accosted by insistent mumblers. Remind me to drive around NJ, wherever I'm headed.

Charlie Daniels said:
I think I'm gonna reroute my trip
I wonder if anybody'd think I'd flipped
If I went to L.A. via Omaha
 
Very few of us get to pick the state we live in based on it's firearms laws. We live there because we're born there, family ties, employment, etc.

So why is there all this bashing of other people's home states?

If you're lucky enough to live in a place where you're happy about the local laws, great, good for you.

But this constant trashing is annoying, such as one poster here alluding to "nazi" states.

The funny thing is the people living in the states referred to never seem to be as upset about it as people living thousands of miles away, many who have never been to the states they're complaining about.

While I'm sure your state is just as wonderfull as you think it is, we don't to be constantly reminded of it.

Why all this bitterness?
 
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