Loading progressively more powerful rounds in magazine or cylinder?

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No, no, no.
If you need to use it, the 'warning' that anyone on the other end gets is getting a gun pointed at them.

The only time I find it acceptable to load like that would be on a trail, where I could consider loading the first two rounds in a revolver with shot in case of snakes. Even then, I'd prefer just keeping a long forked stick and a full load of .357.
 
And those people are grossly ignorant of the fact that a firearm is not a less lethal weapon and that you don't point a firearm at anything that is not a threat warranting deadly force.
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Amen.

And if you do, you'll pay for it in court.
 
He brings up one point we should consider -- the wad would make a dangerous wound, even if the rock salt didn't.

So you'd get the worst of both worlds -- a round that wouldn't do the job when your life was at stake, and at the same time in a non-lethal confrontation, put the other guy in the hospital.
 
Vern Humphrey said:
He brings up one point we should consider -- the wad would make a dangerous wound, even if the rock salt didn't.

So you'd get the worst of both worlds -- a round that wouldn't do the job when your life was at stake, and at the same time in a non-lethal confrontation, put the other guy in the hospital.
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Precisely why it is recommended to use an actual less-lethal or non-lethal alternative that isn't a firearm at all (nor a blunt object like a baton or bat). TASERs and pepper spray/OC top the list.
 
Wrong on many levels. First, as has been mentioned, you have no business firing a gun loaded with anything at anybody unless you are justified to use lethal force. And if you are justified to use lethal force, you want to supply it right now, not after a couple of rounds of rock salt and a couple of rounds of birdshot.

Stacking loads means you aren't sure what will work and you plan to experiment with different loads during a firefight. This is not a good idea.

Do your homework, make an informed decision, pick a load and load the gun with it.
 
loading rock salt into shot shells to use as a first-shot less than lethal warning round.
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My goodness I wish this idea would simply die!!!!!!!
:cuss:

You cannot shoot a gun at someone to scare them. You are only allowed to use a gun in self defense if you're life is imminently threatened. That means an attacker is coming at you with a gun or knife or whatever...

That's not the time to blow kisses at him...
 
One of the worst things in the world would be to pick up your gun and need it to save your life and have it loaded with a non-lethal or ineffective round.

Those peoples hearts are in the right place, unfortunately their common sense isn't.
 
Thermactor said:
Ive heard of people loading rock salt into shot shells to use as a first-shot less than lethal warning round. The rounds in the tube magazine after that are progressively more powerful, let's say something like duck shot, then buck shot, then a rifled slug. I'm wondering what its equivalent would be in the handgun or rifle world?

Something I could think of:
Taurus Judge revolver loaded with a rock salt .410 shell, then duck shot, then buck shot, then 45 long colt.
Or
AR-15 loaded with frangible ammunition, then Federal Fusion soft points, then M855 penetrator rounds
Or
.22 cal revolver loaded with rat shot (they make them in 22), then 22 subsonic, then 22 HV rounds

I don't think this is a good idea AT ALL but there have to be people who think like this and load this way, thinking its better to shoot to wound in a use-of-force situation.
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Wife loads her Judge with, first up, .45 Colt, then two 3" with triple ought, then two with #2 buck.

Her theory is the .45 Colt for distance, if close, chop them up with lead pellets. She is 73 years old and can double action the Judge very rapid and accurately.
 
I think the original question can be answered with a simple thought experiment:

You have a Glock 45 on your hip, and a Kel-Tec 32 on your ankle. You're having dinner out with your wife when a really wild looking person, about 6'4" and 300 pounds bursts through the front door with a tomahawk in his hand. He's calling you by name, yelling that he's going to kill you, and is headed straight for your table.

Are you going to reach for your 45 or your 32?
 
No.

Only time I ever did something like this ever was a hunting load of 2 number sixes and a number 4. The idea was while bird hunting you had two close shots and one shell for a longer range shot. (Like a bird flying away). The idea seems silly now but I was young and impressionable.

Hunting or defense, you want consistency and accuracy. Load it all the same.
 
You guys are confusing the "Good Old Days" with our current politically correct reality.

Today, loading light is dumb, like everybody has said.

But back in the day we weren't so short sighted.

The basic idea behind the rock salt was "Boys Will Be Boys".

Everybody knows that teenage boys get a little brave when dared by their knothead friends, and might sneak around in the night getting into mischief for no reason at all.

A mildly painful butt slap with some rocksalt was supposed to educate little johnny without really hurting him, and give him the understanding that his actions were very likely to get him seriously hurt or killed.

This worked. Obviously, so much so that many of you here know of this tactic and will not sneak around on other people's property at night because of just the rumor of the nightwachman's rocksalt.

Of course, we don't live in those smarter times, do we?

Today, little Johnny isn't afraid. He can do as he pleases. What's gonna happen? Is somebody gonna tell his dad what he did? Yeah, like you can find his dad. Little Johnny doesn't even know who he is.

No, these are not those smarter times. The lawyers, and the cops, and the "Activists" and the liberals have got it so that we have to blast little johnny with buckshot when he kicks down our door. Never mind that getting spanked with some rocksalt might have been the learning experience that kept Johnny from kicking the door down in the first place.

I'm like the rest of you guys. No rocksalt for me...

But it really was the right thing to do back in the day.
 
A firearm is deadly force.

If the situation doesn't merit deadly force, put the gun away.

Otherwise shoot and keep shooting until the threat is neutralized.
 
I have heard of old timers having a double trigger shotgun with one barrel of bird and one barrel of buck. Provided it's still choked the bird shot can be impressive, but unless it's clustered it's pretty worthless.
 
Thermactor - in my .380, the first 4 rounds alternate a Glaser Safety slug and a JHP for a "1-2-1-2" pattern. After that, it's 4 FMJs because I might need to penetrate heavy winter clothing.
On my .357, I have 3 JHPs followed by 2 JSPs and a FMJ - all 158 gr. bullets.
My 12 ga. SxS has 2 - 3" shells - 00 Buck (15 pellets) and #4 Buck (40 pellets) and both barrels can be fired at the same time.
My AK has mostly milsurp HPs with either a FMJ or a JSP added after 2-3 of the HPs.

I have other guns but these are my primary HD guns.
 
JTHunter said:
Thermactor - in my .380, the first 4 rounds alternate a Glaser Safety slug and a JHP for a "1-2-1-2" pattern. After that, it's 4 FMJs because I might need to penetrate heavy winter clothing.
On my .357, I have 3 JHPs followed by 2 JSPs and a FMJ - all 158 gr. bullets.
My 12 ga. SxS has 2 - 3" shells - 00 Buck (15 pellets) and #4 Buck (40 pellets) and both barrels can be fired at the same time.
My AK has mostly milsurp HPs with either a FMJ or a JSP added after 2-3 of the HPs.

I have other guns but these are my primary HD guns.
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I kind of hope you are joking here
 
Fast Frank said:
But it really was the right thing to do back in the day.
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Nope, discharging a firearm without lethal intent was a stupid thing to do even then....Legalities aside, it has been shown there is no way to effectively or even usefully use rock-salt in a shot as "deterrence". I was taught not to point guns at things I wasn't willing to kill or destroy. I think that was good advice 100 years ago, and I think it will be good advice 100 years in the future. Its a simple rule, no need to complicate it with exceptions and exclusions....If you fire a gun at someone, your intent had better be kill or seriously injure that person, not "scare" them into better behavior in the future. Such things aren't rocket science....guns are lethal tools and should only be fired when lethal results are desired
 
FBI and police stats show that in the real world, nobody uses progressive loading. The encounter lasts less than a few seconds and usually three shots maximum. So, who's really doing any extensive firing and actually getting to the heavy rounds? Nobody. They shoot the good stuff up front.

The pros practice with it. :evil:

No professional organization uses progressive loading. At the closest, less than lethal ammunition is used in riot control - rubber bullets -, and the focus of instruction is to apply it in a manner so that it doesn't maim or kill someone. It's hard to find - it's not on the store shelf. Why? Nobody is buying it except the PD, and they shoot more in training than anything else.

I would expect using either to be an automatic nomination for a Darwin Award. Even a BB gun can kill, any projectile coming out of a firearm can be lethal. It's the specific intent of the tool.

If you need something less than lethal, find other tools as the police have, don't compromise the one that you may need in extreme duress.
 
RE: #19 Warp---- Self defense is situational awareness first, flight from threat when possible second, and third when backed into a corner react to stop the threat. Do not draw unless you plan on shooting if things escalate further. If you get to the third option then you probably missed a couple signs.
 
My dad used rock salt in his double barrel to keep dogs away from the rabbit hutches. I doubt any of the dogs were actually hurt from the range Dad shot at them from. The dogs did get hit by the rock salt; you could see them flinch, tuck their tails and run. Ergo, it has its uses.

Woody
 
I load based upon speed, like a 4 speed stick shift. I load fast, faster, fastest and dearly beloved we are gathered here today...

Seriously and I am sorry if this offends anyone I started hearing about doing stuff like this 20 or so years ago and I thought it was stupid then and I think it is stupid now. Alternate this and alternate that? Give me a break, load the gun with ammunition intended for the application that is proven reliable and be done with it. Just my thinking on that.

As to the infamous rock salt? Have at it. You can load a shotshell with just about anything your little heart desires. Buckshot, rock salt, slugs, small nuts and bolts, flechets and just about anything your little heart desires. Long as it goes down the barrel with a wad pushing it it's gone. You can even load apple pollen in the spring and pollinate your orchard. You have to love shotguns. :)

Ron
 
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