Loads for a model 36

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Has anyone ever tried these in an older (1970) Model 36?

http://www.buffalobore.com/ammunition/default.htm#standard38

Standard Pressure, Short Barrel, Lower Recoil, Heavy 38 SPL

Due to customer demand, we’ve developed this defensive 38SPL ammo. Our customers wanted some devastating 38SPL loads that would fill the following criteria.

  1. It won’t hurt older/fragile/alloy revolvers. (Non +P)
  2. Is effective as a “fight stopper” through the use of proper bullets.
  3. Is more powerful than typical/standard, weak 38SPL ammo.
  4. Generate much less recoil than our +P 38SPL ammo.
  5. Is flash suppressed.

Buffalo Bore is introducing these three different heavy, yet standard pressure loadings for 38 SPL. These offerings are loaded at standard pressure, but they are much more powerful than normal 38SPL ammo. These loads will not harm older more fragile revolvers. So, these loads are safe for use in ANY 38 SPL revolver, provided it is in normal working condition. As stated above, the “POWER” level of these loads is really closer to a typical +P power level, but the pressure is standard. We are able to develop these powerful standard pressure loads with modern non-canister powders. Again, these loads recoil far less than our +P 38 SPL ammo.

All three of these loads are flash suppressed, so firing them in the dark wont blind you. We use flash suppressed powder in our defensive ammo, in the loadings we can, because over 90% of all civilian shootings in America, occur in low light, when the criminal element is at work. We don’t want you blinded by your own gunfire after the first shot.

Item 20C utilizes the same 158gr. very soft lead cast, SWC-HC gas checked bullet, we load in our +P 38 SPL ammo. It is designed to expand and then penetrate quite deep. (Approx. 14 inches in human tissue) This bullet is gas checked and will NOT lead your barrel. Note the below velocities that I recorded out of my personal revolvers—NOT TEST BARRELS!

a. S&W mod. 60, 2 inch barrel—854 fps (256 ft. lbs.)
b. S&W mod. 66, 2.5 inch barrel—871 fps (266 ft. lbs.)
c. Ruger SP101, 3 inch barrel—930 fps (303 ft. lbs.)
d. S&W Mt. Gun, 4 inch barrel—979 fps (336 ft. lbs.)

Item 20D utilizes a very hard cast 150gr. WAD CUTTER bullet. The bullet is made hard, so it won’t deform or mushroom. It cuts/crushes a “cookie cutter”, full diameter hole in human flesh just like it does on a paper target. It penetrates deeply (roughly 14 to 16 inches in human tissue) and its full diameter profile maximizes blood loss as it cuts and crushes (not slips or slides) its way through tissue. Although I’ve never been shot with a full profile wad cutter bullet, I must assume that the initial impact of that wide flat nosed bullet, is crushingly formidable. As a teenager, I took to the woods on a regular basis and killed many a critter with heavily loaded 38SPL wad cutters’. The effect of a full profile wad cutter on small game was obvious and amazing, compared to regular round nosed bullets. That flat nose, literally hammers living things. These bullets are hard and properly lubed and will NOT lead your barrel. Note my velocities from real world “over the counter” revolvers—NOT TEST BARRELS!

a. S&W mod. 60, 2 inch barrel—868 fps (251 ft. lbs.)
b. S&W mod. 66, 2.5 inch barrel—890 fps (264 ft. lbs.)
c. Ruger SP101, 3 inch barrel—961 fps (308 ft. lbs.)
d. S&W Mt. Gun, 4 inch barrel—1005 fps (336 ft. lbs.)

Item 20E utilizes a Speer Low Velocity uni-core (Gold Dot) 125 gr. Jacketed hollow nose bullet. This bullet is designed to expand at low speeds and has no problem opening up at considerably less velocity than our advertised 900 fps, from two inch barrels. Penetration in human tissue is roughly 12 inches. Note my test velocities below from real world, “over the counter” revolvers—NOT TEST BARRELS!

a. S&W mod. 60, 2 inch barrel—921 fps (235 ft. lbs.)
b. S&W mod. 66, 2.5 inch barrel—938 fps (244 ft. lbs.)
c. Ruger SP101, 3 inch barrel—1019 fps (288 ft. lbs.)
d. S&W Mt. Gun, 4 inch barrel—1078 fps (322 ft. lbs.)
 
I don't know anything about the mmunitions in question but if I were going to carry a S&W mod 36, I would load it with standard velocity .38 spl. 158 grain lead semi-wadcutters. They will do the job if you do yours.
 
What Pistol Toter said. I used to have a Chiefs special and fired +p's in it a few times, but I would not make a habit of it. I replaced it with a M-640. I bit heavier, but nicer to shoot.
 
Thats B.B. load is a fav. over at the 642 thread.

They say it is standard presure and I don't think they are going to lie about such a thing.

I have a question though, how are loads flash suppressed? :confused:

Is it just real fast burning powder so a fire ball doesn't follow the bullet out of the short barrel?
 
Pistol, what brand do you use. I've heard Remington has the softest lead from the folks talking about the FBI Load 158 LSWCHP +P. Wonder if Remington would be the choice in the Standard Pressure 158 LSWC but no hollow point?
 
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