London Metropolitan Police deploy "gun detectors" during surprise raid, no guns found

[Diggler]

It's England.

We fought the Revolutionary War because they didn't know how to treat their citizens.

 

[gezzer]

Yup, the Brits tried that on a whole town here. Look where it got them.

Some folk never learn. Hard to believe we saved their butts twice.

 

[Cosmoline]

Cosmoline; Do what I did... quit flying.

I did. Since this is Alaska that means I haven't been outside in years. It's a sad, sad state of affairs. I often wonder what Andrew Jackson or George Washington would do if told to partially disrobe and submit to a warrantless search before taking passage on a common carrier. My guess is George would give the little guy with the wand a rough brushing aside and a cold stare. Andy would shoot him. Either way they and probably most of our founding fathers and early Presidents would be deemed terrorists and sent to Gitmo.

 

[atek3]

Either way they and probably most of our founding fathers and early Presidents would be deemed terrorists and sent to Gitmo.

Here here to that.

atek3

 

[R.H. Lee]

Citizens of all western countries founded on principles of liberty and democracy have much to be vigilant about.

Exactly right, St. Johns. None of us are in a 'safe harbor'.

 

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Diggler remarked:

It's England.

We fought the Revolutionary War because they didn't know how to treat their citizens.

They were subjects, not citizens. And, despite a recent English legal change, they are still subjects.

 

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shermacman observed:
Ditto Jim Keenan!
British people are "subjects" of the crown. The only rights they have are given to them by their government.

Exactly. It is frequently forgotten that, in England, there is a difference between the Crown (Queen E the 2nd), the Lords, and the commoners. The monarch and the Lords have rights (the monarch, by virtue of her heredity; the Lords, by virute of the Magna Carta and a couple of other items). The commoners do not, unless Parliament (which includes the Lords and the monarch!) permits them to have rights. Of course, this means that those rights can also be revoked when Parliament wants to revoke them.

Which brings to the forefront what America was all about. Part of the entire purpose behind our Founding Fathers logic was that the rights granted to the English Lords in the Magna Carta should be available to everyone. In other words, our Founding Fathers equated the people in the U.S. to British Lords! (How that must have irritated the stuffed shirts in England!!)

Disclaimer for what I'm about to say: I've never been to England.

From what I've read and studied about the English political system, the House of Commons members do not necessarily consider that constituant services (as we call it in the U.S.) are important. This is supported by the fact that many of the seats are party seats, not member seats, and so many MPs are not representatives of the people, but are, rather, representatives of their party.

And I think that Democrats in the U.S. would love to adopt a "party seat" system.

 

[Iain]

From what I've read and studied about the English political system, the House of Commons members do not necessarily consider that constituant services (as we call it in the U.S.) are important. This is supported by the fact that many of the seats are party seats, not member seats, and so many MPs are not representatives of the people, but are, rather, representatives of their party.

And I think that Democrats in the U.S. would love to adopt a "party seat" system.

I don't quite know what you are talking about there.

Every MP that sits in the commons represents a constituency and is elected by that constituency.

 

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Eh, I think I was confusing the English Parliament with the Scottish one. I had it in my mind that England used a party proportional representation system for some MP slots. Double-checked it after seeing your reply, and discovered my mistake. Sorry for the trouble.

 

[Onmilo]

Stand Fast! We are the Government! We are here to protect you from yourselves!

 

[Burt Blade]

I see the Nazis finally conquered Britain.

 

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Diggler remarked:

It's England.

We fought the Revolutionary War because the British didn't know how to treat their citizens.
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They were subjects, not citizens. And, despite a recent English legal change, they are still subjects.

And "subjects" have privileges (at the Crown's pleasure), not rights.
Thank God for James Madison!