Long-Range rifles and handgun pictures...

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taliv,

thank you Sir...

I shot over 7 years at "long-range" at TARGETS before I ever put the crosshairs on a living animal...

ALL CONDITION have to be perfect before I will even think about pulling the trigger. Range / wind / mirage / temperature / humidity / absolutely everything is taken into consideration. Even the slightest bit of doubt will keep the trigger from being pulled....


D&T
 
Welcome, D&T . . . those are some fine tools. Folks that are so skilled as to be able to build such precision firearms & those who are competent at extreme ranges I envy and also call "Sir." Very nice!
 
Im no master hunter or long time THR poster but I have to agree with Taliv, way too many variables on the 1.5-2 second time of flight to target. 1000 yard shots dont belong on anything but paper or people (militarily speaking). But then again Im one of those 30-30 / shotgun hunters...

-Tsi
 
taliv,

barrel stubbing allows for the use of top quality match grade barrel blanks and larger diameter barrels - both of which allow for increased accuracy from a break open single shot. It also allows for the rebarreling of many more different calibers and cartridges that the factory does not chamber for...

For example, cartridges like the 219 Donaldson Wasp, 19 Calhoon, 17 Ackley Hornet, 6mm Wasp, 250 Ackley Improved, 300 Winchester and a host of others can be had by means of barrel stubbing...

I have built lost of 223 barrels that were 1.250" in diameter for customers out west that wanted something a little different for their Contender to shoot prairie dogs at long range with either a pistol or a rifle. most guys just like the increased accuracy they get from the heavier bull barrels....


D&T
 
The guns pictured on the first page are -

"Green" stocked gun: 6mm-284

Pistol: 250 Ackley Improved - Rimmed

"Blue" stocked gun: 244 H&H Magnum

Leopard gun is set up as a switch barrel gun in 6mm-284, 6.5-284, 30-284 and 338-284....


D&T
 
Sorry for giving you a hard time. I too took you for a mall ninja.

Those are some fine rifles you've got there. What kind of groups can they shoot at those ranges?
 
the stub thing is an interesting concept. offhand, i'd think the junction between the barrels would cause problems and make it less accurate, although the bull barrel may make it much easier to shoot accurately.

is that popular with T/C? i've no experience at all with them
 
taliv,

the "barrel blank" runs all the way through the stub and stops .001 short of the breech face. The junction between the two barrels does not pose any problems at all. I started rebarreling for the T/C Contender this way since 1985 and to date have sold over 2,000 barrels made by this process....


eldon519,

that's okay, I understand...

Only the top rifle - the 6mm-284 is my personal gun, the rest belong to various customers...

My 6mm-284 will keep 5-shots inside a 2" circle at 600 yards and can keep 5-shots inside a 6" circle at 1,000 yards, with me doing the shooting. I have had other guys shoot my own rifle better than me and like wise, I've had guys that could'nt hit the broad side of a barn at long range....


D&T
 
gbran,

thank you Sir...

Here are a couple more pictures of T/C's that I've built or modified....











This is a 4-shot group from 100 yards that was shot with the pistol above...





D&T
 
the "barrel blank" runs all the way through the stub and stops .001 short of the breech face. The junction between the two barrels does not pose any problems at all. I started rebarreling for the T/C Contender this way since 1985 and to date have sold over 2,000 barrels made by this process....
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ahh, i misunderstood. i thought you were basically just taking two barrels and screwing them together, where one was larger OD than the other.

have you done it for non-T/C rifles?
 
taliv,

the only other non-T/C gun I do this to is the H&R. Here is a picture of one that I completely rebuilt. This gun will consistantly shoot under 1/4" at 100 yards....


 
D&T, I hope you´ll stick around and share your experience with us. This is also a great place to learn from each other. Welcome.
 
Heavy Metal Hero - The T/C's with the stocks are set uo as carbines or short-barreled-rifles....


Rescue - thank You Sir. I have already learned alot....


slimjim - expensive paint job - about $350.00....
 
Well D&T I'm glad I stopped back today and looked for your post. Quite frankly I though it might have been deleted by a Moderator by today but I am now glad that it hasn't been. Mall Ninja's don't last long.

Thank you for the clarification. You indeed know what your capable of and your finished product is testament to that fact. Competing in 50yd to 200 yd match's I recognized a couple of the rifle stocks as more benchrest than field use so I apologize if my comment offended.

Welcome to THR.
 
Rich,

apology accepted and thank you Sir...

Please forgive my ignorance but what is a "mall ninja"?

Let me try to offer how I go about setting up for shooting deer at long-range -

I have 3 wide open fields where I "shoot" deer. These fields are approximantly 400 yards wide and in excess of 1,300 yards long. At the 1-yard line, so to speak, we have a concrete bench set up that we shoot from. It is located at mid point at the end of each field, meaning 3 different fields and 3 different shooting benches...

Starting at 600 yards, measured from the shooting bench, on each side of the field are placed 10 ft. tall posts with 6 inch wide ribbons attached to each one that is at least 8 ft. long. 600 yards has a green flag, 650 yards has a white flag, 700 yards has a red flag, 750 yards has a pink flag, 800 yards and so on and so on...

Our rifles are set to hit point of impact at 600 yards with a drop table being made in 50 yard increments out to the length of each field. the scope is set for each exact yardage tith no guess and no hold over...

Now say that a deer walks out on either side of the field and is closest to a "pink flag". Our chart shows that the pink flag is exactly 750 yards away. We then go to our ballistics chart for the gun that we are shooting, dial the scope in to exactly 750 yards, put the cross hairs on the top point of the shoulder and very gently squeeze the 6 ounce trigger. And it is basically that plain and simple...

Our rifles, like the green stocked one on the first page weighs 29 pounds. Shooting from a concrete bench, with a gun of this weight, with a trigger pull of 6 ounces, it is quite easy to make shots at extreme ranges. The flags on the poles also make good wind flags and as such, if there is any wind blowing, we can correct and allow for that as well...

Like I said before, it took us literally thousands of rounds of practice ammo and shooting at long range targets before we ever thought about shooting at a game animal. Counting myself, there are 7 of us that have been shooting deer this way for the past 9 years. And in all this time, I am proud to say that we have never lost a deer, wounded a deer or had to shoot a deer twice. All shots have been 1-shot kills. If they don't go down within a few steps, it is very rare. Also, no deer has ever made it out of the field after being shot and we all take great pride in our shooting record...

I know I skipped a lot of stuff but, I hope you get the general idea of how we go about our long range shooting for deer. Yes, we do hunt in the woods and at that time, we use nothing but scoped revolvers and love every minute of it. These guns are fully customized as well....
 
Well, D&T, all I can say is, you must have different wind and different deer than we Yankee's do. When we shoot at the 1,000 yard range at Bodines, PA, we also have flags at various distances on the range. Only problem is, they aren't all blowing the same direction and at the same speed. And, since your bullet has to transverse wind blowing right-to-left before coming to the wind blowing left-to-right, wind calls are, shall we say, a "beach". And, our deer don't cooperate by standing still for us. What happens if the deer takes one or two steps during the 1.5 seconds that the bullet is in flight? You may not have lost a deer so far, but IMHO, it is only a matter of time.

Don
 
Please forgive my ignorance but what is a "mall ninja"?
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D&T,

Haha. A term I learned on THR myself. It apparently consists of individuals, usually younger (20s,30 somethings), that hang out at gun shows and buy up the para-military surplus firearms, hi-cap mags, in an attempt to prepare for a large war at any time. They are supposed to be uneducated about firearms past NATO/military rounds and buy every add-on gadget "tacticool" item they can. And supposably they are ignorant of everything that is shooting sports/hunting related that doesnt involve a Rambo or Steven Segal type movie. Thats my take of the phrase anyway. And really its just a dumb term.

And on a side-note I am sorry that some were rude and crude to your post. But you will find that most of us here are normal average run-of-the-mill shooters that invest alot of time on the internet as we cant spend it all at the range :D Of course some of us can talk a good game! haha.

BTW I need to know what firearm you would build in a .308 if you only had $1400 to spend. :D
 
Don,

if the wind is blowing too much, plain and simple we just won't risk a shot...

Since these fields are clover, wheat and rye grass, the deer do wonder around a bit. I have watched deer for hours at a time, waiting for them to stop long enough for a shot. Anytime it get's iffy, we just won't pull the trigger....
 
How many deer have you shot with the 6-284?
My best friend just brought his to Bob White the 3 time IBS president and hall of famer to have it tweeked. With any luck his will shoot as good as yours.

I was also wondering what ammo you used to shoot 1/4" groups at 100 yards with your H&R?
 
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