Looking for a .357 snubby

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frankcostanza

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Im looking for a .357 magnum snubby to carry when i get my permit. Im on a tight budget and have been eyeing the R46202 made by Rossi, as well as the model 617 made by Taurus. I have a Taurus semi-auto and its always been good to me. I would feel ok about buying another Taurus, and I really like the fact that the 617 has a 7 shot capacity. Im not so familiar with Rossi. I know they are made by Taurus, and it seems that the reviews here on THR are mixed about Rossi revolvers. Any feedback from owners of either the Rossi R46202 or the Taurus 617 would be appreciated.

I'm also wondering, since I am new to revolvers, is what is the difference between these models I described and something a little more money, say a Smith & Wesson, or an SP101? I also really like the SP101, but 5 shots compared to the Taurus's 7 shots, I would kind of lean towards the Taurus. I just don't know...Any advice would be welcomed!
 
I am not familiar with either Rossi or Taurus .357s but one thing to keep in mind is the larger cylinder for seven rounds will be more difficult to conceal. Two extra shots is a big plus factor however. It just depends on how you intend to carry.
 
A new Taurua will typically sell for less than a comparible ued S&W.

The stock rubber grips trned to grip on any clothing. Irecommend replacing the grips for ccw. I have this grip on my taurus 850.

Taurus revolvers sometimes ship with a lot of manufacfturing crap in the trigger mechanism. Get a large can of spray cleaner and flush out the revolver completely.

As good as Taurus revolvers are, the S&W triggers are so much better.
 
You get what you pay for. Quality control on Taurus can be kind of iffy. Ditto for Rossi. Both are ok self-defense weapons, but I wouldn't want to shoot them much. But for the 3/3/3 of a "typical" gunfight (3 shots/3 seconds/3 yards) either would be ok.

If I were you, I'd save for a Ruger SP101 in 357 w/bobbed hammer and fixed sights. It's five shot and is easily concealable. Plus it's built like a tank and you can shoot it all you want.

Personally, when I carry a revolver, it's a Smith and Wesson pre lock 66. Not as concealable as the Ruger, but it's ok.
 
I have never saved money buying a cheap gun. I have never regretted paying more for a tool or a gun.

Many will tell you how great their Rossi/Taurus/H&R/Rohm has been. While I am pleased that they like their guns, such has NOT been my experience.

I strongly recommend that you save a little longer and buy an older Smith. My personal favorite is a model 19. In addition to good fit and finish, it will not have the dangerous lock of the new models. (plus, you will not be transferring money to a company that does not care that you hate the lock) Of course an older Colt would be a fine choice too, but even more money.

Many will tell you the benefits of Ruger. There is nothing wrong with them but not my preference. I find that they tend to have long, rough triggers (the rough can be fixed) and are heavy and cumbersome. Having said that, they are dependable guns and if you are into super hot handloads, are quite tough. (I also admit that the SP101 is an appealing "mid sized" revolver)

Before you buy a revolver, new or use, go to the "sticky" at the top of the revolver forum that describes how to evaluate a revolver. I am an experienced revolver owner and I learned several things. It is excellent.

Best of luck
 
A round butt SW19 with a 2.5" barrel, regular SW wood grips and a blue/blackTyler-T-grip adaptor.

Maybe reduce the hammer spur a bit if you can do it and still get 100% ignition.
 
My S&W 640 snubbie



The first thing I did was get rid of those damned "rubber" grips. They cause printing. Second thing was to install a Wolfe spring set which really improved the trigger.

 

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Sp 101

Hands down! Small enough for easy IWB concealment - heavy enough to make for enjoyable range session (I have the 3 1/3" bbl) with all but the nastiest head bangin' .357 loads.

My vote of confidence in this revolver is pretty stout - on a hurricane evac, it will be one of two handguns I'll bug out with. I have absolute confidence in its ability to save my bacon - along with a couple of speedloaders so 5 shots isn't an issue.

Anyways, if 5 shots of .357 won't solve the problem, then you likley should have stayed home and hid under the bed that day - or else brought your AK
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For a .357 Magnum, the Ruger SP101 was my choice too.
This isn't a pocket pistol (weight), but for IWB or OWB,it's fine.

I am a Taurus fan and have owned several over the years. Still have 3 two .38's and a .357 Tracker). The .38's (both lightweights and pocket carried) are my most frequently carried firearms

However, the 617 would also be a good choice, as long as you don't expect to pocket carry. I'd select the stainless model with the exposed hammer.

I also suggest you put 200-300rounds through it to ensure reliabilty (that refers to any gun used for carry, not just Taurus).
 
I was in the same boat til yesterday...

first a brief run down of what I have owned: Taurus 605 (spurless hammer) blued steel --didn't like it; S&W 640 (internal hammer) stinless steel --couldn't get a tight group with it; Ruger SP101 (spurless hammer) stainless steel --good shooter; had to sell to pay bills; Ruger SP101 (exposed hammer & 3" barrel)--great shooter; traded to get a hunting rifle; wish I had kept it :banghead:

yesterday I bought a Taurus 651 (shrouded hammer -- enough spur exposed to cock the hammer) stainless steel -- used Speer Gold Dot "short barrel" 135gr .357 mag load ( @ 1,000 fps from 2" barrel) & it was comfortable; since I already have a S&W 642 for CCW, I will be changing to a longer grip for recoil control with heavier magnum loads;

the Taurus 651 has an improved trigger over the 605 I owned back in 2001; I like the shrouded hammer on the 651 if I ever pocket carry the little beast; notably, I like Ruger SP101's better, but they cost nearly $150 - $175 more in my neck of the woods; the Taurus is not nearly as indestructable as the Ruger SP101, but I'm not one to shoot full house loads from a snubby platform since they don't get a full burn in the short barrel

I like the combo of the Taurus & the Speer Gold Dot short barrel load; as an alternate, I will try Remington Golden Sabre 125gr jhp which is a medium velocity load & not nearly as violent as full house 125gr loads
 
Whatever your decision as to the revolver model, I would recommend that you consider shooting .38 special +P ammo. I'm a believer in the philosophy of "practice with what you carry" - and shooting a mess of full house .357 at the range in a snubby will bring you around to my point of view real quick.
 
As good as Taurus revolvers are, the S&W triggers are so much better.

Total BS. :rolleyes: I have never felt an out of the box Smith DA as good as my M85 Taurus. Trigger quality and accuracy are excellent, nay, superior on your average Taurus vs J frame in my experience. And, the lock is better, at least can't turn itself on and isn't so friggin' obvious.

In .357, though, I sorta prefer the SP101 and get it in a 3". Don't mess with a 2.3", it's heavy, not really a pocket gun, and is more comfortable with a Hogue grip on it. Anything much lighter has a bit much recoil for quick repeat shots. The SP101 is comfortable to shoot with hot stuff and the 3" barrel will give it a better sight radius, more precise, and give it a good bit more ballistically over a 2" gun. The 28 ounces the gun weighs rides well in an IWB. It's an awesome strong little revolver and my favorite .357 carry, though I have sold mine. I might pick up another, but I have a 3" Taurus 66 that's pretty easy to tote IWB, too, is a six shooter, and shoots well. Sure like another stainless SP101, though. I really don't think an extra shot or two capacity is that big a deal.

The little Rossi is a neat little gun, strong enough, 6 shots, accurate. I had a 971 which is just the 4" version of the 462. I broke a firing pin on it. Had about 5K rounds through it and was tight as a drum, lots of hot stuff, but mostly .38 fired in it. The trigger on this one will be stiff, but usable in DA mode. Traded it and some cash for my .45 Colt Ruger blackhawk. I have two Rossi revolvers at present, an older M68 and a .22 stainless kit gun. The .22 has had boxes and boxes and untold boxes of 550 round Federal bulk pack run through it, God knows how many rounds. It gets fired every range trip, very accurate and fun to shoot. The DA trigger sorta sux on it, but it's very crisp in SA and the accuracy is astounding.
 
I chose the 640 for wife & myself over the SP101 only because the S&W is totally enclosed, no external hammer, spurless or otherwise.

I do prefer the SP101 for other reasons- easy takedown, simpler mechanism, rugged beyond the S&W. Just a bit heavier, not enough to notice.
 
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I prefer my Ruger SP101 to my 2.5" M66 S&W for a carry gun. If I was on a really tight budget I'd look at taurus, but I'd be very careful when inspecting one before purchase. Taurus makes some good guns, but they also make crap too--and they seem to have a much bigger problem with it than other manufacturers.
 
Whatever small 357 (or other rather big banger) you select SHOOT IT BEFORE YOU BUY. Rent it, bowwow, get friend to take you to the range and just go to a range/club and ask someone to let you shoot a couple cylinders full. Buy em a box of ammo for the use of their gun. May be the best money you spend.

The smaller esp titaniums really buck, snort AND kick.
 
I bought my 617 a little more than a week ago and been wanting one for a year or more. It's got good balance, weight and the bluing is great. I wanted to get it in stainless, but Bud's had them [617b2] for 319 delivered two weeks ago, so yeah, it was high time to finally get one. The DA trigger is stiff. SA is excellent. I've been doing lots of dry firing - its getting better. One more bath in Ed's Red and a couple of range trips and it should be good to go. FYI. the 617 uses the same frame as a Taurus Tracker. I have already put a houge grip on mine.

I believe the Rossi frame is about the same size, thickness and weight as the 617. Both guns would be better for OWB carry. Either one would fit you budget. I like the looks of the 462 and it is a popular ccw. The 617 will have higher resale value - the 462 won't.
 

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Do yourself a big favor and avoid Taurus/Rossi from here on out. Consider yourself lucky that you appear to have won the Taurus lottery with the one you have. No Taurus or Rossi has anything approaching high resale. They drop in value like a lead balloon the minute you walk out of the store. When people see one for sale they wonder what's wrong with it and automatically want to knock an extra $70 off the price to cover a trip back to the repair center. Taurus, unlike the other big manufacturers, makes the customer pay to ship it back and since it has to be overnighted with UPS or Fed-ex paying for return shipping is a big deal.

Really consider the SP101 with spurless hammer. You don't want a spur on a CCW revolver, no matter how anyone tries to justify this it is a really really really bad idea. There is a good reason why they started making them without spurs and even hammerless. Lots of people who carried them every day were getting them snagged on the draw. Some died as a result so departments wanted a gun that could be carried concealed and drawn without snagging.

Out of the box the trigger on the SP101 can be a little stiff. The SP101 can be easily tuned with some 4400 grit sandpaper and a $15 set of Wolf springs. If you register over at www.rugerforum.net after a certain number of posts, 10 I think, you will get access to Iowegan's IBOK on the GP100 tuning which also covers the SP101. If he offered it for sale for $25 it would be a bargain. You aren't doing anything magic. He just walks you through step by step where to polish. I'm not the world's handiest person and I had no trouble.

I should also mention that the modular design of the SP101 makes it a snap to keep clean. You can break the gun down into the main components: frame, trigger subassembly, and cylinder in about 20 seconds once you do it a few times. This makes cleaning and lubing really easy.

Recoil is not bad at all with the SP101 with full power .357 loads. You'd have to be really recoil sensitive to have it be an issue with this gun. There is just enough gun to suck up the recoil and the rubber on the grip over the backstrap really helps as well. Shooting a box of 50 .357 rounds in an outing won't leave your hand any worse for wear. I tried the Hogue and its more comfortable but it's just a bit to big for CCW. Plus the tacky rubber catches on every cover garment I've tried. I went back to the factory grips and have stayed with them. They are just big enough for me to get my pinky on the grip and I have hands on the small end of large sized.

I like carrying my SP101 in a Galco Fletch belt holster although now that it's summer I end up pocket carrying it a lot. You don't notice the weight after a couple of minutes.

As much as I love my SP101 if I could start over it would be the second snubby I purchased, not the first. The first would be the S&W 642 and I would carry it in a Mika pocket holster and load it with the old FBI load of 158gr LSWCHP 38+p. There really is no better combination CCW revolver/holster/ammo combo in my opinion. The 642 is very much an everywhere all the time without much hassle gun. The SP101 is the most of the time most places with a little hassle gun. There are lots of summer days where the Kel-tec P-3AT goes along and the SP101 stays home where the S&W 642 would be going along. They are only $403 delivered to your FFL from www.budsgunshop.com. Add in $25 for a transfer and you've got a gun that you'll keep forever and that will retain 80%-90% of it's value. In fact within 5 years it will probably be worth more used than you paid for it new.
 
I too vote for the S&W 640.

Why would you waste any money on a Taurus or Rossi? As others have mentioned, you get what you paid for.
 
Just happened to notice
the number of views
to this .357 thread.

How coincidental. :cool:
 

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Strongly suggest that you heed langenc' advice. Try first.

I am sure you are aware that the first .357 Magnums were built on Smith's large frame. Later, the cartridge was introduced on the K-frame for law enforcement officers who might shoot them with magnums very infrequently.

Magnums in lighter, shorter arms produce a very great deal of blast and recoil, which are not usually conducive to effective shooting. If you get one I predict you'll end up using +P Specials at most.

After mulling all the factors I have tentatively decided upon an aluminum Smith in .38. And I intend to try it first.

By the way, the .38 Special is no slouch, in spite of what a lot of people have said. When LEOs still carried revolvers, many state and municipal departments prohibited the use of the magnum, partially due to concerns about penetration.

One last thing: I haven't compared the felt recoil of a 4 inch . 44 Magnum Model 29 with that of a J magnum, but it might be an interesting comparison. I'm sure that no one here would ever admit not liking the blast and kick of the 4 inch .44, but I once saw a man told to leave a range in Wisconsin after firing few shots from one because he couldn't control it. He would have been infinitely more secure armed with a .38, or using .44 Specials. Something to think about! :)
 
Thanks for

The Plug Nem.

I really like my M&P 340 rated for as high as .357.

Members of the SW M&P340 guild
will be along shortly to offer opinions.

It is probably out of the price range Frank is considering.

This old saying comes to mind:

"Quality is still remembered long after the price is forgotten".

If all the revolvers had the after sale service of S&W I guess one could consider Ruger, Taurus, Rossi, but I don't know that they are up to the S&W standards if something goes wrong. That's why I would never consider another revolver new or old...well maybe a Ruger.
 
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