Looking for a reduced load - .243 for young whitetail hunter

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I have a dozen + reloading books/manuals.....but I thought I'd ask who has worked up 'light' .243 loads for a young hunter.

I'd appreciate any thoughts or ideas.

I have a Savage 110 with a cheap factory black plastic stock. I'm going to ask my gunsmith buddy to check my grandson's length of pull and cut the stock to fit his short arms...I want him to be able to properly hold the rifle...I'll probably need to move the scope out a bit after the stock surgery to keep him from getting "scope bitten".

He will be restricted to 25-50 yards (by me) so I do not need a high power load.

Thanks for any help or ideas.

Here's my hunting buddy. He turned six in July. He's been shooting since he turned four.

Bob

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Hi,
In my view the heavier bullets in the 243 are best... this will mean that a reduced power load is not a real option. I like the hornady 2450 100gr interlock or speer's 105gr hot cor. can i suggest that you owe it to the deer to use the best round you can. Please consider adding some lead to the stock of the rifle and having the boy shoot it off a bipod to deal with the recoil or even better wait until he is bigger before letting him shoot centrefire. He can hone his skills and learn his craft with a .22 on rabbits in the mean time. Good work for taking him out.
 
Ok here is what I have learned going by the rules of youth or reduced loads.

First and foremost the overall best load data can be found over at Hodgdon's site in their Youth Loads using H-4895. Why? Because it allows you to start off with mouse fart loads, and then work all the way up through the powders load range to full power loads using one powder, bullet, and primer combination.

Secondly, IF you have something in like a 6.5, a 7-08 or .308, your going to be better off. Here is why, they can all be had with a ballistic tip type bullet in about the same 100gr weight. Why the BT type bullet, it will open up quicker and more reliably at the lower velocities.

Ok that out of the way. Using the .243 you would be best to go with something like the 95gr weight where you can get one of the plastic tipped versions. As mentioned they will promote expansion at slower speeds. However, you will also want to do some sort of expansion testing as well, just to make sure your on the right track. Another reason is you will be able to get a touch more velocity with a touch less felt recoil.

Did I mention practice....We shot and shot and shot when my oldest grandson started out. I did a LOT of development with my little Ruger Compact in .308. Mainly due to it was already short enough for him to use, and I didn't have a spare stock for any of my .243's, and wasn't going to cut them off just for a couple of seasons of hunting.

He got it in his red knot head at age 3 he wanted to shoot him a hog. Did I mention red head, well yep it is just as hard as it is red. So we started at the bottom of the loads and went from there. Surprisingly using the 125gr BT, I could shoot them into 1/2" groups at 100yds and he after some practice was putting them into around 2" at 50. Two weeks before his 4th birthday he dropped his first in a line of hogs.

Now all that said the first deer he shot with them, simply left never to be seen by us again. We only found a half dozen drops of blood. I know he smacked it good as I was watching it through my field glasses at about 40yds when the hammer fell. I could clearly see the impact right where it should have gone. Throw a hundred yard sprint through river bottom terrain, and and crossing a fence into the mix and she was gone with little trace to follow up on.

Now back to the loads, you can start on the bottom end with the 4895 but I highly suggest working up as much as possible. Even with the ranges your shooting or plan on shooting, the velocity adds energy and expansion. While in most cases with full power loads this isn't as big an issue, it appears to be with the lower powered ones.

If you look through the link below my sig, you can find the grandsons first hog, as well as a buck I shot with an 85gr bonded core in a reduced load in one of the last year or two's hunting pics. He will be a 6 point laying in the back of a Mule 4 wheeler bed. That one almost didn't work out, but luckily it did. It was nothing to do with the bullets not preforming, but everything to do with the tenacity of a mature deer. I really couldn't have asked more from the bullets as they did what they were supposed to do. The buck however was really something.

Hope this helps...
 
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I did a reduced load for my daughter for her .223 (she's extremely petite). Either way, I started out at the lowest reduced load per Hodgdon website and worked my way up without telling her. After many many rounds down range, she now shoots a full "normal" load in her .223, shooting Nosler Partitions over H4895.

I recently acquired a .308, which I've thought about loading reduced recoil loads for her in that rifle as well, mainly so she's shooting a heavier bullet.

Good luck in your research. Main thing that my daughter and I have shared bonding time in our love of shooting and deer hunting.
 
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That's awesome. Love the pictures. I've had my daughter shooting .22lr since she was 5 (was earliest my wife and I could agree on...lol). We use her .22lr for form practice and then we move to the .223 so she can stay accustomed to the recoil of the .223.

It has definitely brought us closer using range time and hours upon hours in the stand together.

My 4yo daughter just recently for her first BB gun to start practicing form, so next year we can move to the .22lr.
 
The typical black plastic stock, like you mentioned, is often difficult to shorten. The stock is typically hollow. Once you cut it down, you have nothing by which to attach a new butt plate since the screw housings were most likely molded into that part which is now gone. You might be able to shape a wooden plug and glass it into position, then use it to attach a recoil pad. Just something to be aware of.
 
My 11 year old bagged this with my 270 using the youth loads from Hodgdon's website. I used H4895.
 

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My wife is very recoil sensitive and she shoots her .243 just fine with my handloads. I use an 85 grain Seirra GK BTHP bullet and 31 grains of H4895. I started with 30 grains, but the primers were backing out, indicating low pressure so I upped it to 31 grains and used a magnum primer and no more low pressure signs. It's very accurate. She killed a deer this past season at 157 yds with it.

FYI, you can reduce any H4895 load to 60% of max for a low recoiling lighter round.
 
I use the Sierra gameking 85 hpbt and the starting load of h414/win 760 which is about 40 grains. Nice light load and shoots bugholes.

This is with her Ruger American Compact which is a really light gun and she's really sensitive to recoil, but she shot about 50 of those loads last weekend and said it didn't bother her at all.

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Man, you guys are a wealth of knowledge! I'm copying every suggestion.

JW,
Thanks for the reply. I love hearing about kids shooting! Kylar is such fun at the range...a cut-up to boot!
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Arizona98tj,
Great information, thank you. I'm now working on floating a used wood stock to cut down.

DDawg,
Great photo....I bet you were proud as a peacock!

Arkansas Paul,
Thanks for the information. H4895 is very versatile! I'm glad I asked.

AZBass,
I'm glad to hear she could run that many rounds through the gun and still be ready to hunt. Good stuff!

Bob
 
only one thing to get and the round is a Swede 6.5x55 great round reduced recoil and fail good ammo available for it as well not a overly heavy.
 
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