Looking For A Specific .45 ACP

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I've been looking and looking for a .45 ACP that has the features that I want to no avail. I am wondering if I am missing something or if I am just too picky. Here's what I'd like out of my .45:

I'd like an external hammer

Stainless finish (no polymer)

Single/double action

5" barrel or longer

Hi-cap mags (13 or more)

I really like 1911s and I know there are hi-cap 1911s out there, but they are all single action, aren't they? Why doesn't anyone make a double action 1911? Nonetheless, does any manufacturer provide a handgun with the features that I want? If so, who?
 
S&W makes some kinda like you want with da/sa and decocker. I have the 5906 (15+1) which is a 9mm but they make the 4006 and 4566 and the 4506 I think is the 45. Was a cheap pleasant transition from the 1911 45acp. CDNN had the 9mm for $299 which a few of us purchased. Buds or someplace probably has the 4506 in the 45.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=578808
 
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I'm pretty sure Para-Ordnance makes a double/single 1911 called the LDA, at least they used to... Buds had them in their used guns section...
 
The Para LDA only comes in single stack 6+1.

EAA is the only thing that I can find that comes close. The only thing is it has a capacity of 10+1.

Saying yes to a stainless slide on a polymer frame will open up your options. H&K and Glock come to mind immediately.
 
The Para LDA only comes in single stack 6+1.
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The LDA is on many models. Here's a hi-cap 1911.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411541375

The LDA is not a true DA. It is more like a SA but the hammer is in the down position. It does not have a double strike capability like a true DA. It also has the same pull every time. I think it was made for people that didn't want to carry a 1911 cocked and locked.
 
CZ 97B is the key, SA/DA with hammer but I am not sure if they make stainless for this model or not.

Edmond
 
Thanx Ichiban.

I wonder why they don't list that on their website? PO was the first place I thought to look.
 
smince said:
It wouldn't be a '1911' if it was D/A :rolleyes:
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... obviously, but you and, I am sure, everyone else gets my point. OK, for you gun nerds out there, I'll rephrase it. Does anyone make a 1911 variant with SA/DA? Smince, thanks for all of your help.

Trigun, I've been looking long and hard at CZ, but I would really like stainless and I don't think they make one in stainless.

Pikid, I have heard a lot of good things about the P90, but I think they only hold 8 rounds.

As of right now, all of the guns mentioned are fairly close, but still do not meet the criteria of what I'd like. I would also like to keep it under $650.00 (significantly less would be even better)

The reason that I am looking for these features is because I have all of them on my Taurus PT99 (Taurus' version of the Beretta 92FS) and I REALLY like it's setup. The best case scenario would be a .45 with the same exact or very similar configuration as my PT99. I am quite surprised that this niche hasn't been filled in the .45 ACP category.
 
You're having trouble because your specifications change two of things that distinguish a 1911 from most other semiautos...single action trigger and narrow single-stack frame. It's like looking for a tiger with spots or a car with two wheels. You might be able to find one, but you would have an easier time searching for leopards or motorcycles.

Stainless is less common than carbon steel in 1911s, SA/DA 1911s are rare, and double stack 1911 frames are uncommon. The other problem is that if you look at SA/DA high-cap pistols, .45acp is a less common chambering since 9mm/.40 will fit the same frames and .40 accomplishes much of what you would get from .45ACP without a major re-design.

When you put all of the features you want into one gun, you're going to find that it's going to be very big and very heavy.

On the other hand, if you give up any one of your requirements (caliber, SA/DA, capacity, or less so finish) you your options open up a great deal.

-J.
 
I would also like to keep it under $650.00 (significantly less would be even better)
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Ouch, even harder. You're describing a $1000+ gun.

The reason that I am looking for these features is because I have all of them on my Taurus PT99 (Taurus' version of the Beretta 92FS) and I REALLY like it's setup.
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Hmm, how about an Inox Beretta 96, which is in .40? You're not giving much up from .45 to .40 S&W.

I am quite surprised that this niche hasn't been filled in the .45 ACP category.
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If you made a Beretta 92 in .45 ACP it would be quite a bit bigger which makes the niche difficult to sell. Compare a Beretta 84 to a 92, and then imagine another step up in size to accommodate .45ACP. I'm not saying it wouldn't be a cool gun, but people who carry professionally (cops and military) want smaller and lighter and cheaper, and that drives much of the non CCW market.

-J.
 
jr_roosa said:
You're having trouble because your specifications change two of things that distinguish a 1911 from most other semiautos...single action trigger and narrow single-stack frame. It's like looking for a tiger with spots or a car with two wheels. You might be able to find one, but you would have an easier time searching for leopards or motorcycles.

Stainless is less common than carbon steel in 1911s, SA/DA 1911s are rare, and double stack 1911 frames are uncommon. The other problem is that if you look at SA/DA high-cap pistols, .45acp is a less common chambering since 9mm/.40 will fit the same frames and .40 accomplishes much of what you would get from .45ACP without a major re-design.

When you put all of the features you want into one gun, you're going to find that it's going to be very big and very heavy.

On the other hand, if you give up any one of your requirements (caliber, SA/DA, capacity, or less so finish) you your options open up a great deal.

-J.
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I am not necessarily looking for a 1911. The only reason I brought 1911s up was because I was at a gun shop last week and they had quite a few double-stack 1911s and I figured that the gun had everything that I wanted aside from SA/DA. Like I told Smince, I could not care less if it's called a 1911. The name is not important to me. You can call it the Turd 1000 if you want. I am simply looking for a .45 with these features. Those features just happen to be close to the features of some 1911s. Furthermore, I understand what you are saying about giving up features to open up options, but that's not how I roll. If no one makes one, I'll happily hold on to my money and wait until someone does. If no one ever does... so be it.
 
You want all that for less than $650? Good luck...you'll need it

A SIG P220 Match is close to what you want, but it has a smaller capacity...and will be more than $650. Para might make something like that, but I wouldn't recommend one since I've had nothing but trouble with Para in the past. I'm guessing it will NOT be under $650 either
 
Strahley said:
You want all that for less than $650? Good luck...you'll need it

A SIG P220 Match is close to what you want, but it has a smaller capacity...and will be more than $650. Para might make something like that, but I wouldn't recommend one since I've had nothing but trouble with Para in the past. I'm guessing it will NOT be under $650 either
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I said that I'd like it to be under $650.00, but I could certainly spend more if I found what I was looking for and felt it was worth it. I mean really, is there anyone out there that doesn't like a good buy? That's how these things evolve. I doubt majority of people start out looking for something and jump right on the most expensive item. Logic leads me to believe that most people start with a set price in mind and end up settling on something that suits both, what they want, and what they want to pay... sort of like Elisabeth Kubler-Ross' stages of grieving... but with guns instead of dead people.
 
I just think going from $650 to $1k+ is a more than a small budget adjustment, but I guess that's just me

Looks like Para is out, I forgot that LDA is a double action trigger. I think the P220 match is going to be the closest to what you want
 
Okay, I'll make a recommendation that meets many of your requirements but not all.
FNP-45 http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/firearms/model.asp?fid=fnf020&gid=fng001&mid=FNM0062

Hammer? Check
Stainless? Well, the slide is.
5" barrel? Close. 4.5"
DA/SA? Yep.
Hi-cap? Yep - 14 and 15 round mags.
< $650? Yep. $607 at Buds.

It is a polymer frame but it has very good reviews and a loyal following. I have FNs in 9mm and .40 S&W and think they are outstanding guns.
 
Because DA/SA is terrible. Why do you want DA/SA?

The gun you descibe is a good 1911 except for DA/SA. Why purposly avoid the best trigger in pistols? (SA 1911's)
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Thats what I was thinking, he wants a hi-cap 1911 with a bad trigger.

My advise would be to just settle for a better trigger and get one of the 14+1 Para 1911's.

I guess everybody's different. Hope you find what your looking for but I sure can't think of one, sorry.
 
Ichiban, I gotta tell ya... that FNP-45 seems to be quite the gun. I never heard of it until now, but I really like the setup. Thanks for the suggestion... will definitely look into that one a bit more.

Zerodefect and DeepSouth, I've dry-fired many 1911s (now, I know that's not the same as actually firing one) and, to be perfectly honest, I didn't really find them to be *that* much better than some of the better SA/DAs triggers. I am sure you'll disagree, but to each his own.
 
The Para LDA is a compromise, and outrages many 1911 purists...but it is a viable option if you like a DAO without a heavy trigger.

It is available in several calibers and a variety of mag capacities. I have owned four so far, and although I only own one now, don't take that as an indictment of the design--I am a serial owner and sell a lot of things to try something else.

The fact that I still own one speaks well of the design. There are many makes/model that I no longer own any of. :)
 
FNP-45 is a good gun, ive heard only one bad thing and its that if you are running a red dot the ejection port still sends the casing right back into the optic so chose a tough one if you need one. Other than that its a great gun.

Check out the USP 45 as well
 
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