The oldest I have is Lyman Handbook # 38. Does anyone have a lower number? Specifically I am looking for loads for a 10.4X47R Italian Vetterli. From what I have found out so far it was last loaded by Winchester about 1938 with a jacketed bullet with Ballistite Propellant and that is as far as I can find out. I am thinking if anyone has a manual older than WW2 I might find some loads listing different propellant?????.