Looks like gangsta but is not gansta style

[kid_couteau]

Hi All

I was reading the Gangsta style shooting thread and I wanted to share something a friend taught me.

It does involve canting your gun but not at a 90 degree angle like gangstas do.

It works best with semi automatic pistols with squarish slides. Like 1911s or glocks and XDs

I am left handed so I will explain it that way

Holding your gun with a typical 2 handed hold rotate it to the right about 35-40 degrees

Now sight down the corner of slide itself and put the target at a six oclock hold

Your shot will be a bit low but for self defense it is pretty accurate, faster then finding the sights and is a good backup in case your front sight comes away from the gun.

Just sharin
Kid

PS (JOKE The whole gangsta thing is a left handed legend among left handed shooters.
If you hold your gun in your left hand gangster style it tosses all your brass right at your feet so you dont have ta chase it.

 

[tepin]

 

[Edmond]

Canting the gun while you shoot isn't that gangsta of an idea. When I took LFI's Advanced Handgun Skills, during their one handed shooting portion, the instructors stated that canting the gun might ease the pressure on the wrist for some shooters and that it was acceptable. Of course, they also reminded us that they didn't mean it was a "gangsta" cant.

 

[tellner]

Knuckles vertical (the usual way) and knuckles horizontal (the "gangsta" way) are both unergonomic. The only reason we look down on the second is cultural. A cant is the most natural way that has the bones of the forearm in their most comfortable alignment.

 

[1911 guy]

Shooting from cover.

There are two accepted methods of shooting from cover, one is switching hands as needed (which I do) and the other is keeping the pistol in the strong hand, but canting or "gooseneck"ing it 90 degrees. Both methods put the barrel and sight plane into the fight without giving up too much of yourself. If done correctly and conditions are right (distance, angles, etc.) one can put a round nearly COM without being seem at all. Many people choose the gooseneck option and have no problems with it. This is likely what is being immitated. It's a viable tactic, but for a specific circumstance, not general ghetto-blasting.

 

[ShackleMeNot]

I cant the pistol when I shoot one handed. Nothing 'gangsta' about it.

 

[Starter52]

I've always heard that canting the pistol when firing near a wall keeps the empty brass from rebounding back and jamming your gun.

 

[CWL]

The two times I fire a canted pistol would be:
1. canted with grip of gun resting on hip for contact-distance shooting; and
2. for firing around a vertical barricade

 

[ProguninTN]

Center Axis Relock

I was trained to use the CAR (Center Axis Relock) shooting stance, and I was taught to use a slight cant.

 

[answerguy]

I've always heard that canting the pistol when firing near a wall keeps the empty brass from rebounding back and jamming your gun.

Do you have a lot of coins land on their edge when you flip them too?

 

[invisibleman_007]

Some of us that are left eye dominant and right handed also find that a slight cant to the left helps us acquire the sights more effectively.

 

[SaMx]

I've heard of canting the pistol to the left (if you're right handed) to keep your wrist from getting tired in long matches, but it is only supposed to be a slight cant, probably no more than 10 or 15 degrees.

 

[WayneConrad]

Canting the pistol is how some cross-dominant shooters get the sights aligned with the eye. By canting the pistol a small amount (perhaps 15 or 20 degrees), the cross-dominant shooter can align the sights and still keep the wrist straight.

 

[mmike87]

I was also instructed in the courses I have taken that a SLIGHT cant of the wrist puts the hand and wrist in more natural, and therefore stronger position. I did indeed shoot better one handed with a slight, perhaps 15-20 degrees or so.

I liked it so much that I maintain the same slight cant when shooting two handed as well, and it seems to help with recoil control.

 

[rojoko]

Looks liek gangsta

Nope, no tricks to using a firearm properly... and the weaver stance or modified weaver has proven to be the most effective position in years. It's the reason that most law enforcement and Spec Operators are now using it, and started to do so back in the late 70's when some Delta operators started showing up at IPSC matches and Gunsite. Since then it's been seals, FBI, yada yada yada.. but it's problem to be the most stable platform, especially when firing multiple rounds.

The only time you might want to "tilt" or rotate a pistol at all is for weak hand shooting, but there's a reason for that that I'm not going to get into..

Best way to use a pistol or any firearms is the way they were designed, upright.

 

[rojoko]

One more thing, for the sake of demonstration, I've shot every which way inclding upsidedown (the pistol not me) and this was done by pulling the trigger with my little finger..

The single most accurate way to fire the weapon is upright, although with training, it's astonishing what people can do!

To get good with a weapon, you need to build and maintain a skill level.. that takes work. There's no magic to shooting or being a good shot. The people who depend on firearms to stay alive, practive, pracitce and practice some more.. you can never practive enough. But then it real life, it's also what you can afford...

 

[joab]

As my arthritic wrists get weaker and my blind spot gets fuzzier I find myself canting the gun to get a sight picture.

Upright may be best for most but physical limitations require adaptations to the norm

 

[rojoko]

One more thing, for the sake of demonstration, I've shot every which way inculding upside down (the pistol not me, although there was one match....) and this was done by pulling the trigger with my little finger..

The single most accurate way to fire the weapon is upright, although with training, it's astonishing what people can do!

To get good with a weapon, you need to build and maintain a skill level.. that takes work. There's no magic to shooting or being a good shot. The people who depend on firearms to stay alive, practive, pracitce and practice some more.. you can never practive enough. But then it real life, it's also what you can afford...

 

[ArfinGreebly]

Manufacturer Instructions

Y'all know Seecamp, right?

From their FAQ ( http://seecamp.com/faq.htm )

Why aren't there any sights on Seecamp pistols?

Click on that link; you'll see:

WHY NO SIGHTS?

If shot placement is so important, why no sights?

Scroll down six paragraphs:

But how do I qualify at 75 feet without sights?

If you hold the LWS pistol at a 45-degree angle semi-gangsta style there is a groove formed that can be used as a sighting tool

Also read the insightful comments below that segment. The one about qualifying at 25 yards. And driving at 120 miles an hour.

 

[1911 guy]

? A nanny gunmaker ?

Because the NYPD and MDPD aren't capable, you shouldn't be, either.

That's pretty much what they're saying. Granted, I know that any engagement I can come up with as a civilian will be close range, protecting me and mine. However, that should not be to the exclusion of the capability for longer ranges. There have been several mall shooting in the last few years. Wouldn't it be nice to not have to stroll within spitting distance? Dude with a gun comes in your house and you have to thrwad a bullet between doorways down a hall to keep him from reaching you or your kids?

I just don't see the point in a deliberate handicapp. Try some realistic training (behind cover, awkward positions, etc.) and see where no sights gets you.

Furthermore, they cite the NYPD stats as reason for no sights. The vast majority of shooting reported no use of sights, and the hit rate was only 15%. Something seems wrong here. Looking at the same information, I'd conclude that better training on sight acquisition was needed.

Seems like an excuse to cut corners on making a handgun, to me.

 

[ta4]

I've been taught to angle the shooting hand when using one hand. There have been friendly 'range pros' who have tried to correct my grip .

 

[Gordon]

When shooting one hand weak handed (left) i do cant the gun inward about 15-20 degrees. Most people I observe shooting weak handed do. I don't remember being instructed to do so however. I was NEVER corrected for canting either by; Col. Cooper,Chuck Taylor,Ray Chapman,Clint Smith,Louis Awerbuck or Scott Reitz so I guess it's OK.

 

[1911 guy]

One handed shooting.

For one handed shooting, I see no problem with canting the hand. In fact, I do it, too. It seems to help me and others control the handgun. When given the choice, though, I choose a two handed and upright hold.

 

[Sniper X]

Canting any firearm is not good for accuracy. Go to the range and try to do this at targets from 7~20 yards, see what happens compared to what you normally get at those same ranges with a proper grip and hold, stance. Even canting ones head to look down the sights can throw off accuracy at range. Now it may be allright at very clost range, but in that case, try point shooting and with practice using a good grip, hold you weill be able to point shoot very accurately and it'll fell "ghetto" to try the cant.

 

[Sniper X]

So, Gordon, you took instruction from Jeff Cooper, and the rest of those mentioned? Shoot, I thought I was one of the only ones here who was in a Cooper class at Gunsite, still have some of the origianl staff shirts, and my Gunsite Staff Instructors hat. Since Buzz Mills bought it it has become a "celebrity" Resort in a sence! It was hard corps when both Col. Cooper and Rich Jee owned it.