Lord of War - Ammunition Manufacturer?

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If you aren't going to be making your own cases and bullets don't expect to be able to keep the price down.
 
Didnt PMC just go out of business? Could this be a good indicator of less competition or a bad omen to the ammo manufacturing industry? :D
 
Best of luck to you. The most successful of men overcame the voices of others telling them that they couldn't or that they were crazy. Lemme know if you do get started, I'll try some .40 and .357 or .38. If by some stroke of luck/genius/sheer insanity you do make it big, remember the little guys who believed in you....:)


Justin
 
No business in America is non-profit. They might do it for love, but they still need profit. If you are a non-profit then you are not a business.

If you have the cash to blow to do this, then by all means do it. But the only reason Winchester white box is so cheap (even after markup) is because they make a lot of it. They will see your 6 million rounds and raise you ten fold without blinking. The only way to make something cheaper is to make a ton of it.

$400,000 won't make your first 6,000,000 rounds, and it won't make the next 6 million either if you don't charge more than what it costs to make.

It's just a theory right now, but i've started two other businesses and have experience in that sector.
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mmhmmm
 
Outlawz - thanks for critiquing my post ;) I plan to charge the cost that it takes to produce the bullets and pay company expenses (electricity, machines, etc). I wont be padding the price for profits like every other business in existance.

My 400k, steady income ($130k plus bonus) and accessibility to large loans can pay for the rest.

The other businesses are Robert's Consulting (www.virtualspecialties.com) and Carbon Fiber Kits. (CFK is still waiting for their first shipment of material. Their website will be launched when the product is ready for distribution, which will hopefully be in mid-August.)
 
I'd buy .45 ammo from you. Just let me know when it will be available.
 
After watching Lord of War for the 50th time, I realized something.
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I don't know anything about the laws of manufacturing ammo but I do have to ask how you were able to sit through this movie 50 times!:D
 
I think this is delusional. But I wouldn't want to make a man unhappy, so I suppose I'll have to do you the service of buying your ammo. :D
 
I'll admit, the movie wasn't the greatest, but I just have a wish of being an arms dealer (it wont be realized, but hey to every man his fantasy) so I watch it from the perspective of seeing a lot of fun guns and the money that can be made in the market.
 
brighamr:

I have been thinking the exact same thing Re: manufacturing extraordinary quality ammo basically cost plus enough to live on. Move to MI and I'll throw in with your efforts.

Doc2005
 
brig,,, right on man!
support from this end! dont listen to the nay sayers. post y6er progress and I for one (of many) will buy yer product.. and If Im happy, youll have a lifetime consumer!

good on you for stepping up!

ip.
 
All right folks,

I'll be touring my first modern ammunition factory in two weeks while on my Montana trip. I'm currently running another thread to check the market for what is really wanted (at least the THR market ;) ). This process is going to take a while to get up and running (mainly BATF and legal formalities) but I will be updating this thread as I move forward.

I'll be researching the buying trends and the wharehouse location, but my next post on this thread will hopefully contain the company name, proposed location and some pictures from my trip to the other factories. Check back here in about 3 weeks for an update, and keep a look out for other related posts!
 
I don't understand this, really...How do you think this will work? To produce high quality ammo and sell it cheaper than other companies. And you're not doing it for the money:confused: You must be a better person than I am:)
 
I am just saying a business that isn't in the business of making money is going to have a lot of problems.
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Actually as a business student (junior transitioning to senior after the next semester) I can tell you that I have been taught (and I firmly believe) in every business class (this includes accounting classes, MIS classes, etc etc not just touchy feely marketing classes) that I have taken that the primary purpose of a business is NOT making money, it is to create customers. Money is a bi-product of successfully creating customers not the primary objective in and of itself.
 
Alas, if you don't make enough money, you won't be around long enough to create loyal customers...

From what I've read of biz schools they are mainly about fitting people into existing, traditional corps, not about starting new businesses.
 
Reliable .308, .40S7W, 9mm, .22.

And you might check out why PMC is going out of business?
Might give you a direction NOT to go as in their practices.
 
I'd say spend those resources and time in fighting for gun owners rights.

You may start making ammo for guns that are outlawed! :eek:
 
a) "Not for the money" is puzzling to me. I can see lots of reasons to do something (anything! writing software, tutoring children, writing stories, growing plants ...) other than money, but if you're talking about producing a commodity product, I'm trying to understand. Is your main motivation personal satisfaction? Praise / approval? There are some endeavors where doing it for the money makes a lot of sense; without knowing everything, or even much at all, about the business side of ammo manufacture, my gut feeling is that ammunition is one field where I *want* the commercial makers to be motivated by money. That gives good incentive to make good, reliable, safe ammo! Maybe I'm missing the thrust and speaking out of turn, but that's my immediate reaction.

b) Less spoilsporty: I think there's plenty of opportunity for specialized ammo makers! (This doesn't mean I've suddenly gained knowledge of the ammo biz in the last 30 seconds -- just common sense.) 50BMG is wacky expensive; 9mm Makarov is around but spotty, and loaded ammo with clean, reloadable, high-quality brass casings would probably please quite a few people. Really common calibers, like .45ACP, Hey, if you can beat the margins of 250-round bulk packs enough to justify your own investment on whatever axis you choose to measure, well, more power to ya! But it seems like a tough thing to do. (How would you make ammo that cheap and sell it commercially? I know reloading can beat factory prices per loaded round, but then I'm not investing in a factory, salaried workers, marketing, delivery ...)

timothy
 
I know the whole non-profit idea is pretty crazy in today's "sell everything as expensive as you can" atmosphere, so here's my reasoning. I'm a gun nut. My family of 12 are gun nuts. My wife, friends and co-workers are gun nuts. I like shooting, owning and working on guns. I have excess money, and guns and ammunition are affordable to me, however most of the people I know including family and friends can't buy what they would want due to the high ammunition prices.

If I create an ammunition plant that doesn't take in profits, it will keep costs down on the final sale of ammunition. That's the entire goal. This way anyone who wants to shoot can. Anyone who wants to stock up can. Anyone who wants to practice often for whatever reason can.

Guns may be "banned" or "registration required", but the fact of the matter is, they will always be around (at least in my lifetime). So even if the guns themselves are banned, cartridges will still be in demand. If there aren't any companies like the one I propose out there, the cost of cartridges will continue to go up until the only people left able to enjoy the sport of shooting will be the ones most often categorized as "elite" :barf:

I personally think that all arms related purchases should be as affordable as possible (I'm not saying any other manufacturer is gouging, but they do make a profit which means there prices are higher due to the profit margin). While the ammunition I hope to create wont be $.01 per cartridge, I will try to make it as close to cost as possible for the aforementioned reasons.

I don't think I'm a better person than anyone, and I'm not trying to get a huge amount of customers. I'm just trying to keep the sport accessible to the average citizen. (thus zero marketing, zero profit margin, and web-based distribution where available)
 
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