"Lord of War" Getting Ugly Reviews

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The Orange County Register said something like “to call Lord of War an anti-gun movie is to call the Nuremberg trials a court case.”

~G. Fink
 
I had a feeling this would be somewhat anti-gun. This kinda crap really ticks me off :banghead:

More people die in car accidents so let's see some anti-car movies :evil:

(not that I would watch that either, since automobiles are my other passion)
 
huh, and I WAS planning on seeing that this weekend.

Oh well. It's off to the range instead.
 
"Lord Of War" is written and directed by a reasonably-talented 41 yr. old Brit (London by way of New Zealand) guy, Andrew Niccol.

Given his Euro/UK heritage, I'd guess he's another predictable Lefty in his political views. Accordingly, based on prior comments and reviews, I'd say it sounds like this flick is a "message" from those wonderful folks behind the United Nations' Small Arms (international gun control) Treaty.

Their big goal is to coerce the U.S. gov't into over-riding our Second Amendment and ultimately banning privately-owned firearms... i.e., achieving European-style registration and confiscation of weapons... along with demonization of our eeeevil John Wayne culture of armed self-defense ("violence").

That's also a huge reason why the American pacifist/cultural elitist Left has their nose outta joint over Bush's nomination of John Bolton as our new ambassador to the U.N. -- because he has openly stated our/his opposition this unconstitutional boondoggle.

Yep, it's ALL political.
 
Actually, the movie was pretty good. It didn't particularly reiterate anything new. That we (the U.S.) use cutouts for arms dealing to the factions we support. Or that the largest arms dealers in the world are the U.S., France, UK, China, and Russia. Cage's character when justifying what he does says some things that are pretty common sense, like "I don't force people to pull the trigger".

I think this is one of those movies that you will either view as anti-gun, pro-gun, or just coldly realistic based on what preconceptions you bring into the theater.

Personally, I liked the flick and don't consider it to have any particular message other than if you manage to break into the world of high-end arms dealing you are going to make a hell of a lot of money.
 
Raise your hand if you honestly think modern Hollywood is capable of producing a film with an international arms runner as a sympathetic and heroic protagonist...
 
I saw it, thought it was the most enjoyable movie of the year. It's a lot like "Blow", the autobiographical movie about drug smuggling. The main character is fictional but factbased. The attempt to smuggle a Hind helicopter was straight from headlines of Margaret Thatcher's son doing the same thing.

The movie is about a guy who smuggle weapons out of Russia and sell them to African warlords without scrupples about what his weapons would be used for. The moral of the story is he was immoral, but on the whole a necessary if repugnant character in the much larger world of global arms trade.

Personally I don't see any political message regarding legal private gun ownership in the US, unless you support stealing from National Guard armouries and selling to gangs for profit.
 
I saw it. Thought it was pretty good in some parts, pretty dull in others. I think it was more cynical and defeatist than anti-gun.
 
Saw it last night. Actually liked it. It did remind me a lot of Blow. The opening line slays me, "There is a gun for one person in 12 on this planet. My job is how to arm the other 11."
 
I saw it last night and while it DEFINATLY has anti undertones, I think cage says it best when he says that while he may be evil, he is a neccesary evil. I also think that the reiterration of how he could not fight his biology and that the slaughter would occur with or without him makes a point that with or without weapons there will always be men ready to do evil. But, JMO.
 
"There is one gun for every twelve people on planet earth, our goal is to arm the other eleven people."

"I'm with the A.T.F. ."
"Let me guess, you're not here about the alcohol or the tobacco are you?"

"I want a gun like Rambo's."
"Which one, one, two, or three?"
"I've only seen number one."
"That's OK, we have that."

Sounds fairly interesting to me,,,,,,,
 
I did not find it anti gun at all.

In fact there are several subplots that are VERY important for many
people to see.

It showed African's hacking at each other with machetes one minute and the
next using AK47's. To me it showed the real issue is the nature of man
and that guns have nothing to do with the worlds problems.

There is also a great subplot revolving around why people do what they
do, in this instance the main character does what he does becuase
he is GOOD at it, not for the money.

Another subplot revolved around the real pervayers of war. That being
the members of the UN security council. IN the closing credits they
did point out that guys like the character in the movie account for only
a very very small fraction of the arms dealt in the world.

Heck, the guy was even faithful to his wife when given easy access
to other women.

Another plot revolved around how some people bury their heads in
the sand, his wife, and ignore the obvious. That is a very true issue
for most people in the world, again nothing to do with guns.

Does anyone know if Cage is anti in real life?

PS: I am one of the first to picket a person or group if I find them to
be anti gun. In this case however, I don't think the movie was antigun.
Sure, there will be many that see it as anti only becuase they see
people getting killed with guns. But those people are lost anyway,
why do we care if they see yet one more movie where that happens?
 
Yeah I saw it also and in no way does it address domestic gun control. It is a decent movie and like other posters said it is about an immoral cynical criminal. A evil guy that deserves to die but manages to come out on top consistnetly.
 
"I also think that the reiterration of how he could not fight his biology and that the slaughter would occur with or without him makes a point that with or without weapons there will always be men ready to do evil. But, JMO."

To me, the problem with that is many antis expand upon that with the idea 'we are all prone to violence due to our biology...because maybe you will succumb to rage and gun down your wife, you should NOT be allowed to have a gun!'

I personally disagree, but that is where the idea of 'cannot fight our basic violent nature' can be turned against gun owners.

Personally, i argue that 'No, I will not shoot my wife, (even though i am not currently married) any more than I would pick up a knife and stab her! Or hit her with a golf club. Are you saying that in addtion to removing guns,we need to remove knives and objects that can bluedgone someone? I know i will never do any of those things 'in a fit of rage'. However, because i cannot be sure that every person will be equally able to control his basic violent nature, i choose to be armed.

What is funny is sometimes the antis making this arguement of 'gun in home + angry spouse = tragic situation that could have been avoided' will say that they themselves have been so angry that if they had a gun they woudl have done X (shot my husband, or whatnot) and I always ask

me : 'so because you had no gun you went to the kitchen drawer, got a knife, and stabbed him?'

Anti: 'of course not!'

me: 'so why is going to the den and getting a gun from the cabnet and going back in to shoot him different from going to get the knife from the kitchen'

Anti: 'but a gun would kill a person for sure!'

me: 'well, that just means you would be MORE inclined to stab him because you know it is less lethal. So you stabbed him just once?'

this is when we normally move to

Anti: 'but what if your kids find it'

me: 'what? the spouse you stabbed with the kitchen knife?'
 
I Always See Something Before Tossing Out A Critique

'Fahrenheit 9/11 /Jacko /Clive Davis / Fox News

'Fahrenheit 9/11' Gets Standing Ovation

The crowd that gave Michael Moore's controversial "Fahrenheit 9/11" documentary a standing ovation last night at the Ziegfeld Theater premiere certainly didn't have to be encouraged to show their appreciation. From liberal radio host/writer Al Franken to actor/director Tim Robbins, Moore was in his element.

But once "F9/11" gets to audiences beyond screenings, it won't be dependent on celebrities for approbation. It turns out to be a really brilliant piece of work, and a film that members of all political parties should see without fail."

I was surprised at Fox News for telling America what F/911 really is. A great piece of work. Politics be damned..it is what it is. Like a finely crafted weapon, you can admire the workmanship, but there's no obligation to buy it.

"Lords Of War" is a dark comedy with a Buffalo Springfield sound track..good flick..judge for yourself.
 
We saw "Lord of War"

yesterday and I found it to be less about guns and more about international politics and personal ethics. Gun trading/running/selling/supplying was just the frame used to express these other subjects.

migoi
 
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