Low-tec aiming aid 4 fast, automatic, and accurate aiming

[johnv]

at close quarters.

My latest video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLrJBYSYsok

The aiming aid is patented, but individuals are welcome to add one to their personal gun/s at their own risk and expense. I have the patent, so I can say that. US 6023874

Ditto for Police Agencies.

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With all the flat sided mini's coming out with a short back to front radius, the device could aid in insuring fast, mechanical, and correct sight alignment, and fast and accurate target engagement (per the Army).

Then, if there are sights on the gun, and if circumstances allow for their use, they should be used.

Also, if the light is bad, or if its a dynamic situation, or if the sights are dark and the target is dressed in black and you are at close quarters, you still will have a viable SD option at your disposal. A couple of magazines and three or four targets at 15 feet +/-, should prove that.

Consider it as a Sight Shooting assistant/enhancement, not a device to thwart sight use.

Even the NRA, recognizes the need for options.

In Chapter 6 - of the NRA's Guide To The Basics Of Personal Protection In The Home that was published in 2000, we find that "...real-life violent encounters occur at very close range, often in reduced-light conditions, and are over in a matter of seconds. One study of Police shootings in a major urban area showed that the majority of encounters took place after dark, at 3 yards or less, in less than 3 seconds, and involved the firing of an average of three shots."

It goes on to say: "Often, either the assailant or the defender - or both - are moving rapidly during the encounter. Such conditions do not permit the careful alignment of the sights on a specific aiming point on the target."

And if not that, then what will you do?

 

[kokapelli]

I wouldn't want that hanging off the side of my pistols.

 

[average_shooter]

Looks to me like the disadvantage (and it's a big one) is that you would completely have to retrain yourself how to shoot since this device involves pulling the trigger with the middle finger. That would involve a different gripping of the firearm itself.

In a real high-stress, high-adrenaline, life-or-death situation you're going to fight the way you trained.

Sorry, but this doesn't seem feasible to me.

Also, there is the issue of having to modify any holster in order to accept this device. Good holsters cost good money and I'm not terribly interested in taking a knife to one.

 

[waktasz]

Is spamming various gun forums really your business model?

 

[mmitch]

John V,

I believe I can beat those groups without the advantage of the "accessory" being hawked.
Perhaps I'm not part of the demographic, to which, you appear to be marketing

Mike

 

[johnv]

The method is free.

Individuals are welcome to add the aiming aid to their personal gun/s at their own risk and expense.

Pieces of plastic corner molding can be used and attached with double sided tape.

Look at the video, look at the guns with attachments, and pay attention to the cautions.

If it helps, fine.

I don't have stock in double sided tape or plastic corner molding companies, so what you do, makes no difference 2 me.

If it's not for you, that's fine 2.

 

[Justin]

How do you recommend that one holster their gun with this item?

It's not much use if it keeps me from practicing presentation and reholstering technique.


Also, would you mind providing information about other trainers, combat operators, federal law enforcement officers, or practical shooting competitors who advocate this technique?

Thanks.

 

[killchain]

"Due to a design fault, don't use this on the 1911."

Yep, good old John Moses Browning just "forgot" about people who want to attach plastic molding to their guns for training aids.

Seriously, to everyone who's thinking about this... you can easily do this without gluing a piece of plastic to your frame. Train yourself to use your middle finger, and use your index to "point" at the target.

Personally, I recommend just sticking to front sight post reactive shooting... or whatever it's called.

 

[addecus]

i like it !

i'm going to stick it on my sig for our idpa match this sat!!

 

[waktasz]

Not IDPA legal...and then there's that holstering part.

 

[addecus]

forgot to add... this

 

[DoomGoober]

It's an interesting idea. Studies show that many shooters simply don't use their sights in stressful situations -- why not make point shooting a little easier? I mean sure, if you're really well trained and you're only being attacked by a sheet of paper or a steel plate, some quick sight work might do. But once the adrenaline gets I'm sure many of us revert to point, pull, bang.

If nothing else, it'd be something fun to try -- if you watch the video, the design requires only a piece of plastic and some two sided tape (or just try point shooting without the device.) Of course, I'd also love to try it on some new shooters who don't have a bunch of training to unlearn first.

How would you transition back to using the sights (for example, you draw in a point shooting grip, but the target moves away from you?)

 

[EddieNFL]

John V,

I believe I can beat those groups without the advantage of the "accessory" being hawked.
Perhaps I'm not part of the demographic, to which, you appear to be marketing

Mike

Easily.

 

[mcdonl]

Pieces of plastic corner molding can be used and attached with double sided tape.

Ok... not even with one of my hi points.

I envision a simple device with a post at the front of the gun and two posts at the rear and you just line them up. And, in a hurry you could simply point the front post only.

I know, sounds crazy.

 

[Fieldstone]

With short guns, the rear site becomes optional, front site focus for practical accuracy is best. Here is a cheap aiming tip for short guns, take the rear site off.

 

[DoomGoober]

I tried shooting with my middle finger on trigger, pointing my forefinger. I couldn't get a good grip on the pistol as I drew from holster. There was also something very awkward about getting my middle finger through the trigger guard. Then, I found that point shooting using my forefinger pointing was no more accurate than point shooting without pointing my forefinger -- my standard grip just naturally points the gun in the right direction.

And I'm not sure what the plastic piece is supposed to do: I found that my fore finger naturally pointed straight down the barrel even without the plastic.

Maybe it helps with moving targets? There's nowhere nearby for me to try shooting thrown objects.

 

[BCRider]

Not that I'd stick plastic corner molding on any of my guns either but consider the following points;

• Folks on this forum are all keen shooters that likely go thru a few hundred rounds a month.
• Keen shooters likely won't benefit much, if any, from this trick since they are in tune with their guns from all this practice.
• A lot of folks that own a gun for defense think that they are natural born shooters that don't need much practice. Or they practice slow and deliberate bullseye shooting instead of fast reactive shooting or due to real life they just don't get out to a range for much practice at all.
• For those that don't get in much practice a "trick" like this may well make it easier to reduce the size of their groups for quick, reactive snap shots. The sort of shooting that they would need to do in a defensive situation.
• If this trick has a possible "home" where it's appreciated I suspect that it would be with this last group of folks that seldom practice for whatever reason. And particularly for stressful quick reaction times where the adrenaline is pumping hard. If this gizmo trick aids them with keeping their shots in the bad guy and not spraying them down the street towards innocent folks in their beds then I'd say that it has the potential to be a valuable aid. For those of us that already "play" at IPSC or IDPA likely not so much since we're already developing good draw and shoot skills.

 

[Laf'n'Larry]

BCRider, those points all seem to be on target (punning.)

I might be a good candidate to try this technique since: I don't have much experience; don't get to practice much; have old-timer vision, front sight is sometimes hard to find... etc. In the long run this may be easier to learn than conventional aiming. Since I'm still working on control with a conventional trigger squeeze, I might be able to transition more easily to using the index finger. I'll try it once my pistol comes back from Beretta. I'll post once I've tried it.

JohnV - if you're still listening -- I think you could make more converts quickly if you wouldn't say the 1911 was a faulty design. True enough, it may be a design that doesn't lend itself to your technique, but to say that is is a faulty design doesn't boost your credibility with the majority. If you want to win friends, find another way to make your point that this method isn't compatible with designs that have take down pins that extend completely through the frame. - Just a thought.

 

[cougar1717]

I guess lefty's are just out of luck! Oh well.

 

[The Wiry Irishman]

The concern about holstering is very valid, but no one has yet mentioned problems with recoil and trigger control. By pulling the trigger with your middle finger, you're only leaving two fingers on the grip, and the two weakest on your hand, at that. And really, if you consider that a tightly gripped pinky will cause your hand to involuntarily pull down as you pull the trigger, you've really only got one. Even with your weak hand on the gun, you're still compromising your ability to pull the gun down from recoil and get off a follow-up shot. Trigger control will also be difficult using your middle finger. The index finger works well for this task as it is on the outside of your hand - the minimum possible connection with the rest of the hand. The middle finger, obviously, is in the middle, making it far more difficult to isolate its motion from the rest of your hand. Hold your hand up and try wiggling your index finger without moving the rest of your hand. Now try to do the same with your middle finger. I suppose you could argue that the finer elements of trigger control are more or less moot at typical self-defense distances, but it seems like your product would be more effective for newer shooters, as an experienced shooter will be able to easily perforate a pie-plate sized target inside 7 yards point shooting on muscle memory alone. A newer shooter that would see the most benefit from the product would have serious trigger control issues. After all, that's where 90% or more of your accuracy comes from. Watch inexperienced shooters at the range spraying shots all over a human sillhoette at 7 yards or closer. Then think about factoring in the high stress of a self-defense scenario, then add to that pulling the trigger with a finger whose motion can't be isolated from the hand, and it could be problem.

 

[MidwestRookie]

johnv

 

[Old Scratch]

Hey, if it works, do it.

One real cheap alternative is the old fashioned Dee-troit night sight: a strip of white surgical tape along the top of the slide/barrel/whatever. If you practice with it, it does work.